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  • Getting others' worlds banned out of spite has never been easier!

    Look, the rules are designed to make legitimate players' lifes better. Rules are not supposed to make players suffer, that's what features are for; if a rule openly increases the probability of an innocent player getting punished, it's a sh-rule.

    As my main argument I'm using a situation where TorBoob is using a network of bots to try to ban BoobTor's BFG world out of spite. In this case the rule goes like "if you can track the time when the owner is offline/busy and get two of your bots 720-blazed in the same world, you get to ban that world for 30 days", and that's a very lovely situation for TorBoob. And if for some reason he has a vendetta, he can get the next 60 days started right away (why 30-60-720 and not 30-720, I have no idea, assuming the rule is targeting deliberate tolerance for bots).

    You get a warning first time!
    If someone decides to snipe your BFG, this warning can be read as "hey, someone just tried to get us to ban your world, just saying that they'll actually do it next time". Because again, effectively the newest way to lose a world is to a) own a functional BFG, and b) drop your phone in a manhole so you can't enter the game for a while.

    It's only that world and not the account!
    That doesn't make anything better or more justified. Still punishing innocent people.

    Let's focus on taking action to reduce the number of bots!
    That doesn't make anything better or more justified. Still punishing innocent people.

    If there are any other points that our lovely community manager has brought up in defense, let me know so I can react to them.

  • #2
    With the new rule you can get any world with public locks nuked if you really want to.
    . because yes ,

    Changed my name to Proni2

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Joni2 View Post
      With the new rule you can get any world with public locks nuked if you really want to.
      Actually, scratch the BFG part, this does in fact apply to any world with public locks. The whole "owner's full-time responsibility" thing.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by whatsisname View Post
        TorBoob.
        Nice name
        Professional thread killer

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        • #5
          Notice that there's almost nobody who agrees with this rule. Only a few Mini-mods who dream of becoming a mod soon agree with it because of just that.

          1 step in the right direction, 2 steps in the opposite direction.

          The new mods have pretty much almost quit the game, since they have probably burned out and realized that it's not so great being a mod, and that it takes responsibility.

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          • #6
            It’s like the prohibition of alcohol, good intentions but ended up working horribly.
            IGN: SNOWYFOX

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            • #7
              Wait so Ubisoft said they have tools to detect autofarmers but do not use it to ban them to prevent innocent players from being unfairly banned.
              What if we used that for our good? Say, if a world is set to "BFG" category, suspected auto farmers will be autobanned from the BFG (world ban)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GrowStone View Post
                Wait so Ubisoft said they have tools to detect autofarmers but do not use it to ban them to prevent innocent players from being unfairly banned.
                What if we used that for our good? Say, if a world is set to "BFG" category, suspected auto farmers will be autobanned from the BFG (world ban)
                Well intentioned, but terrible. Instead of acting on what "tools" say, these "tools" should form a separate list of reported players for mods to check, and then decide whether to clear them or ban from the game entirely. Otherwise innocent people may find themselves banned from BFGs for no reason, and more innocent people will be punished or highly suspected for forgetting to set their BFG category.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by whatsisname View Post
                  Well intentioned, but terrible. Instead of acting on what "tools" say, these "tools" should form a separate list of reported players for mods to check, and then decide whether to clear them or ban from the game entirely. Otherwise innocent people may find themselves banned from BFGs for no reason, and more innocent people will be punished or highly suspected for forgetting to set their BFG category.
                  They could make the tool atleast accessible by the BFG owner so that he knows if the system suspected an autofarmer in his world.
                  An addition to the above would be to let the system PM the BFG owner when it suspects someone in their world autofarming

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GrowStone View Post
                    They could make the tool atleast accessible by the BFG owner so that he knows if the system suspected an autofarmer in his world. An addition to the above would be to let the system PM the BFG owner when it suspects someone in their world autofarming
                    Both of those still end up punishing a suspected player. A world owner will either trust the system more than the player, or just ignore all warnings. And imagine if the owner decided to trust a player, but it turned out to be a bot - all hell breaks loose.

                    The key is to prevent punishment for inaction, unless it's blatant in-your-face approval of the bots.

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                    Originally posted by HugeLock View Post
                    Notice that there's almost nobody who agrees with this rule. Only a few Mini-mods who dream of becoming a mod soon agree with it because of just that.
                    Shame the idea for what it is. Don't shame it for whoever supports it, and don't shame people who support it, because it's pointless.

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                    • #11
                      When you want to be a good player it should be easy : dont scamm and autofarm, now your telling me its a challenge to be a good growtopian when you do bfgs this doenst make sence

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by -LI0NE- View Post
                        When you want to be a good player it should be easy : dont scamm and autofarm, now your telling me its a challenge to be a good growtopian when you do bfgs this doenst make sence

                        HELP
                        But you are now responsible for others and not only yourself. Is it a challenge to be good and make every other player that enters your world good?
                        The answer is yes because you don't control who enters and don't fully control who can enter and who can't.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Judavid View Post
                          But you are now responsible for others and not only yourself. Is it a challenge to be good and make every other player that enters your world good?
                          The answer is yes because you don't control who enters and don't fully control who can enter and who can't.
                          Except that you lose the world if you lose the challenge.

                          It's great that they're trying to take steps to get rid of harmful players, but this particular solution doesn't work.

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                          • #14
                            If you lose your world, you waste your 35+ dl cuz your unintended action cuz cant monitor all of the visitor. Thats smoother words about bfg world getting banned
                            Last edited by dcArmy; 06-03-2019, 10:11 PM. Reason: Its a big no no
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by whatsisname View Post
                              Except that you lose the world if you lose the challenge.

                              It's great that they're trying to take steps to get rid of harmful players, but this particular solution doesn't work.
                              Mate there is no challenge it's as simple as I am not and won't be responsible for anyone else's actions that's simple right?
                              Good.
                              The steps they are taking are NOT steps it's lazy, they are dropping their own responsibility and putting it on you yet they are the ones with the wage packet for the job and we are the ones playing and making them jobs possible.
                              The only people that loose here is honest players that have zero idea.
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