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  • #31
    Why hasn’t this been moved to SUGGESTIONS. It is clogging up posts for PAW

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    • #32
      I've edited your original post to remove the ban discussion (as well as the posts about it), as that isn't appropriate for the forums. See here. You should wait for supports response in regards to that.

      In regards to our conversation, I said I don't think it'd dramatically change anything to remove them, but I don't see any huge downsides, either. There are many people on both sides of this debate. You're free to continue discussing the removal of the Roulette Wheels, though posts oriented around bans will be removed.

      The final decision is up to Ubisoft, but community opinions and discussion can and do get taken into consideration.
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      • #33
        Basically you removed posts to make OP look like a saint though. Not cool, but I understand why.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by OldGertie View Post
          Hey everyone.
          Putting this in update discussions since this is regarding a suggestion I think should be put in game and it kind of is an update discussion, I guess? Well, you guys can move it to whatever if you want. This would also bring way more attention to the problem anyways since this is the most active subforum. So, here goes:

          A couple of days ago Zeh, some admins I won't call by name and I built a world. This world looked like a casino world when you first look at it, which was kind of the idea, but the idea of the world was a minigame with prizes (You do not deposit/waste/bet or anything like that yourself). In this world you had to spin a roulette wheel, one of the two people spinning, whoever spins the bigger number, gets to the next round. The last round's winner gets 20wls. It was just a harmful minigame if you take out the Roulette Wheels, which brings me back to why I was even involved in this issue.

          There has always been a fight between whether or not Ubisoft should remove Roulette Wheels from the game. The biggest argument the developers have had is, and I quote, " The removal of Roulette Wheels won't stop casinos anyways. They will always find other ways", which to me sounds like the dumbest statement a person can make. Every step matters, no matter how small it is. The removal of Roulette Wheel, or just it's function for that matter, would be one step closer to closing casinos for good. There is nothing they would lose (Except for some players who LIVE OFF OF the roulette wheels and casinos, which they suspend anyways) by doing that. There can only be positive things coming out of it. If you can't remove an "old item" from the game entirely, just remove the god damn function of Roulette Wheel from the game

          So, what are your thoughts on this? Don't you all agree that removal of the Roulette Wheels would only bring more peace and nothing more to the game? That nothing bad can come out of that? I'd really love to hear other experienced players' thoughts.

          Thanks for reading this rather long paragraph and sorry for all the typos. Writing this all from my phone.
          Why not just change how the roulette wheel works, Make it more like the slot machine?
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          • #35
            Quite frankly it would be idiotic to remove the roulette wheel because people who are kind or generous such as OldGertie Won't be able to make games like these which is quite sad because this would of been such a good game and can I remind you, you were using the roulette wheel for your game so why should it be banned. I don't think this issue regards the roulette wheel personally
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Shawn Wilson View Post
              You didn't read my post.
              Your first post on this thread was heavily implying that OldGertie did do something illegal. You mention how a mod should know whether or not the person(OldGertie in this case) is hosting a casino, add the faxt that he is banned and your basically saying hes lying/was hosting a casino.


              Fun fact: I was actually there at the time of the incident. OldGertie was in fact NOT hosting a casino. I saw no transactions of dropping of trading world locks.


              I even witnessed the admins kicking everyone at the end cause they said a mod told them to shut it down.


              This case happened a while ago, though. If this wasn't the world that got OldGertie banned, I guess what I said was useless(cause then a different world he had got him banned), but the world I saw DID look like a casino(but wasn't) so I'm pretty sure that was the world that got him banned.



              Okok, enough with the slight Ban Discussion. Anyway, I don't think the roulette wherl should lose its its function. Even if all the "RNG" blocks like that "Rock,Paper, Scissors " one, there will still be casinos.

              What is your solution to games like "BJ"/Blackjack? Should Chandeliers no longer drop gems? Should they ways deop a constant amount of gems? Even if they make it drop a constant amount of gems, there will just be a contest of who gets a seeds first.
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              • #37
                Removing the function of the Roulette Wheel will do nothing because casinos will just fallback to the good old Roshambo Block (Rock, Paper, Scizors).
                Even removing the function of the Roshambo Block will do nothing because they'll just use the "Farmable Breaking" method.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by OldGertie View Post
                  Hey everyone.
                  There has always been a fight between whether or not Ubisoft should remove Roulette Wheels from the game. The biggest argument the developers have had is, and I quote, " The removal of Roulette Wheels won't stop casinos anyways. They will always find other ways", which to me sounds like the dumbest statement a person can make. Every step matters, no matter how small it is. The removal of Roulette Wheel, or just it's function for that matter, would be one step closer to closing casinos for good. There is nothing they would lose (Except for some players who LIVE OFF OF the roulette wheels and casinos, which they suspend anyways) by doing that. There can only be positive things coming out of it. If you can't remove an "old item" from the game entirely, just remove the god damn function of Roulette Wheel from the game
                  Take for example the government and police forces in every country that battle illegal drugs. They wouldn't say "Well removing illegal drugs from this country won't stop these drug addicts so we are only going to allot manpower on catching these lawbreakers and overlook the root cause. hehe.." Of course every country tries to eradicate the drugs in their country to at least slow down these maniacs.

                  Removing the main item (or at least the feature) that gamblers use in-game will make a HUGE impact on stopping or at least lessening gambling in-game. I don't want to accuse Ubisoft of anything but I had this theory in my head that if they do remove the main means of gambling, player count will drop drastically since a lot of players online are either bots or gamblers. In a broad perspective, less players online is equal to a game dying. But in Growtopia, nope. Those asian-gamblers don't even know how to top-up for a game.

                  I am on the side that just remove the number generating function of the Roulette Wheel and just make it a farmable. Making it a farmable will 'maybe' suffice for it's previous purpose GAMBLING.

                  I don't know why the devs are so scared of doing ACTUAL measures to stop, if not, SLOW DOWN, these detrimental players.

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                  Originally posted by IGoProfit GT View Post
                  If they remove the function then alot of people who own alot of wheels would lose wls the wheel would be just useless decoration block
                  I currently own 12 magplants and buygems. If Ubisoft suddenly choose to nerf or remove magplants in-game, I would lose 240 dls in a snap. And if Ubisoft removes the gem trade in-game, I would lose thousands of dls in a blink of an eye. But, I couldn't care less if Ubisoft wants to make my favorite game better.

                  Having a lot of possessions in this very unpredictable game is always a risk, but hey, if it will benefit LEGITIMATE PLAYERS why not take that step?

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                  Originally posted by Ohlid View Post
                  You refute no argument. Although prevention is a slippery slope, there is no evidence to support such a claim that the removal of roulette wheels would even reduce casinos. It may play out that way in your head; think though — casinos are banned, yet they still exist. Is that not enough of a deterrent? Is not one to counter with no proposal, but the very premise of the refute undermining a valid criticism is fallacious in nature. To remove something people enjoy without any concrete evidence that removing it is beneficial is simply imposed will.
                  If you really are a person who legitimately plays legally, I can't see why you can enjoy such a toxic block.

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                  Originally posted by TURNNOW View Post
                  Disagree , How about BuyRoulette owner ? He have stocked tons of roulette to be sold , and if you directly remove it , he will lose tons of dls he invested and the dls when he bought the world.
                  You sound like you don't even invest in anything. It's an INVESTMENT for heaven's sake, it's bound to either prosper or to fall.

                  Take for example the owner of PAPASB. It is healthy for the game to raise-up the gem cost for SBs to at least LOWER the broadcasts in-game. It destroyed the owner's investment but it benefited the servers and the community as well. It didn't stop people from spamming sbs, but hey it was lessened, so why not take the same step to roulette wheel?

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                  Originally posted by ROOTbeerr View Post
                  Could you explain to me how removal would damage casinos enough to make it worth it?
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by 1NB4 View Post
                    Casino owners will still find a way if this will get removed, also. Old items cannot be removed ~ an old forumer <not me>

                    They should remove it
                    I see people saying the same thing as you. Now I have to question what other ways are there? You could remove dice, roshambo block, Slot machine, roulette wheel. What other ways would there be unless they all go live on twitch or do skype or some video call using an online dice or something I don't think there's much other successful techniques.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Eutimio View Post
                      Take for example the government and police forces in every country that battle illegal drugs. They wouldn't say "Well removing illegal drugs from this country won't stop these drug addicts so we are only going to allot manpower on catching these lawbreakers and overlook the root cause. hehe.." Of course every country tries to eradicate the drugs in their country to at least slow down these maniacs.

                      Removing the main item (or at least the feature) that gamblers use in-game will make a HUGE impact on stopping or at least lessening gambling in-game. I don't want to accuse Ubisoft of anything but I had this theory in my head that if they do remove the main means of gambling, player count will drop drastically since a lot of players online are either bots or gamblers. In a broad perspective, less players online is equal to a game dying. But in Growtopia, nope. Those asian-gamblers don't even know how to top-up for a game.

                      I am on the side that just remove the number generating function of the Roulette Wheel and just make it a farmable. Making it a farmable will 'maybe' suffice for it's previous purpose GAMBLING.

                      I don't know why the devs are so scared of doing ACTUAL measures to stop, if not, SLOW DOWN, these detrimental players.

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                      I currently own 12 magplants and buygems. If Ubisoft suddenly choose to nerf or remove magplants in-game, I would lose 240 dls in a snap. And if Ubisoft removes the gem trade in-game, I would lose thousands of dls in a blink of an eye. But, I couldn't care less if Ubisoft wants to make my favorite game better.

                      Having a lot of possessions in this very unpredictable game is always a risk, but hey, if it will benefit LEGITIMATE PLAYERS why not take that step?

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                      If you really are a person who legitimately plays legally, I can't see why you can enjoy such a toxic block.

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                      You sound like you don't even invest in anything. It's an INVESTMENT for heaven's sake, it's bound to either prosper or to fall.

                      Take for example the owner of PAPASB. It is healthy for the game to raise-up the gem cost for SBs to at least LOWER the broadcasts in-game. It destroyed the owner's investment but it benefited the servers and the community as well. It didn't stop people from spamming sbs, but hey it was lessened, so why not take the same step to roulette wheel?

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                      Turn your blinds on your window and you will see.
                      Here. There you go people. Exactly! Couldn't agree more.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by OldGertie View Post
                        Here. There you go people. Exactly! Couldn't agree more.
                        Well, i can say everything’s here is right.
                        Developers can simple make them farmable and nerf them. It’s a win-win situation.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by RichWizard View Post
                          Removing the function of the Roulette Wheel will do nothing because casinos will just fallback to the good old Roshambo Block (Rock, Paper, Scizors).
                          Even removing the function of the Roshambo Block will do nothing because they'll just use the "Farmable Breaking" method.
                          Finally someone said it! They already use at least chand in csn, so what would wheel removing do? Absolutely nothing! After remove wheel, csn owners just bring chands or what ever farmables in and get their blocks farmed while ppl gambling. So for real, watch csn videos in tube and you see, they use as much chand as wheels for gambling. So next remove farmables? I thing BJ is Black Jack? if csn sb has BJ text and what ever else text, that means, they use farmables. I think every or almost every csn sb has bj in it. So... Only reason remove wheel would be vend scams, but that can fix by adding roulette text in somewhere else than on vend if vending machine is near.

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                          • #43
                            All you need is a simple pro/con list to see why this is an awful idea:

                            Cons: affects an existing item and all recipes using it
                            Pros: literally none.

                            People can bet on breaking dirt blocks or basically anything else that involves chance. Outcome of a fossil processor? You can bet on that. Same with geiger rewards, or the outcome of breaking any spliceable block or tree.

                            You say “any step helps” but removing roulette wheels doesn’t really count as a step in the right direction because IT WON’T CHANGE ANYTHING

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Loonytoon View Post
                              I see people saying the same thing as you. Now I have to question what other ways are there? You could remove dice, roshambo block, Slot machine, roulette wheel. What other ways would there be unless they all go live on twitch or do skype or some video call using an online dice or something I don't think there's much other successful techniques.
                              Farmables... Watch some tube videos and see.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Loonytoon View Post
                                I see people saying the same thing as you. Now I have to question what other ways are there? You could remove dice, roshambo block, Slot machine, roulette wheel. What other ways would there be unless they all go live on twitch or do skype or some video call using an online dice or something I don't think there's much other successful techniques.
                                Ever heard of a “dirt game”? Casinos can bet on anything in the game that involves chance, and if you think about it for more than a second there are ALOT of things that do. As in “every system in the game” ALOT.

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