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  • #91
    Originally posted by CzeGamer View Post
    I have an idea, how about just nerfing the roulette wheels/rashomboos (or however is it called) like that you can use it just once per 5 minutes in a world?..
    Then, people would use easier gamble games.
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    • #92
      Rwmoving Roulette Wheels

      Hmm. If the developers of this game were to remove the Roulette Wheels i'm pretty sure it's not the only item you can use for Gambling purposes. The thing is if they were going to remove Roulette Wheels they should remove other items that can be used as Gambling tools such as Roshambo Block, Dice Block etc...

      - - - Sorry for the typo.- - -
      Last edited by Isaglish; 08-22-2019, 05:20 AM. Reason: I thought i could edit the title. Sorry for typo.

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      • #93
        Yes they should also remove megaphones or remove the sb feature because of phishing scams!
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        • #94
          The real problem is peoples inability to just ignore what they don't like. There will always be people in real life and in games that don't care to follow rules. If we are being honest, you are only affected when you become involved in the situation. You do have the very real option to just avoid it and go about your business normally. What you are really saying is that I can't ignore and avoid a situation I don't like. The problem isn't roulette wheels when it comes to gambling no matter how you spin it. Its greed and willingness to gamble. As long as you have people who will participate in both sides you will have a problem with gambling.

          We could have a lot of discussions about items in the game and whether it is appropriate for younger gamers or not. People have a valid point that casinos are for adults and having casino blocks in the game might promote gambling to a younger crowd. The fact is gambling in the game is illegal and if you participate in it you might get caught and pay the price. I think people need to be clear. If your problem with gambling then they already have taken some measure to prevent that from happening. There is no point in adding gambling into the argument at this point because it is illegal in the game. If you use the Roulette Wheel to host gambling games and you get caught you will be punished. That should be enough for you.

          If your problem is the promotion of gambling through ideas that may come from a block I can see your point. You can speak your mind as a consumer of the game and make a choice on your moral standings and accept the game as it is or boycott and play something else.

          In the big picture, there are aspects of the game that I would consider a gamble. When an item of the month offers several colors and one is more rare anyone who purchases it is essentially in a gamble to get the rare version of the item of the month for more value. I can probably think of a few examples of this. If I buy a cave world I am gambling on the treasure I will get from it. Spending gems on the hope of getting something and being disappointed is a gamble. I could probably think and list many examples but I hope that's enough to make my point. Have you as a kid ever used a crane machine in hopes of getting a stuffed animal? I've seen crane machines in every shopping center and arcade that I have ever been to. You spend a dollar in the hopes that the claw will hold your prize. Have you ever been to a carnival as a kid? Do you see all the games that kids can play in hopes of winning a prize? I know you won't digest my points because people have tunnel vision on a crusade. I'm basically saying it isn't a big deal, or you have a lot more to worry about than a roulette wheel on the crusade to make the world a better place. Gambling exists in more places than just casinos.

          What I am saying is some of you are hyper-focused on a detail in a game without seeing the big picture of life. Honestly, it isn't a big enough deal to merit your conviction over pixels in a video game. It brings me back to my original point. You don't have to like anything. You can ignore it and avoid it. It doesn't have to bother you. You are letting it and trying to dictate to me as a consumer what you think is best for me when you don't even own the product.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Shawn Wilson View Post
            The real problem is peoples inability to just ignore what they don't like. There will always be people in real life and in games that don't care to follow rules. If we are being honest, you are only affected when you become involved in the situation. You do have the very real option to just avoid it and go about your business normally. What you are really saying is that I can't ignore and avoid a situation I don't like. The problem isn't roulette wheels when it comes to gambling no matter how you spin it. Its greed and willingness to gamble. As long as you have people who will participate in both sides you will have a problem with gambling.

            We could have a lot of discussions about items in the game and whether it is appropriate for younger gamers or not. People have a valid point that casinos are for adults and having casino blocks in the game might promote gambling to a younger crowd. The fact is gambling in the game is illegal and if you participate in it you might get caught and pay the price. I think people need to be clear. If your problem with gambling then they already have taken some measure to prevent that from happening. There is no point in adding gambling into the argument at this point because it is illegal in the game. If you use the Roulette Wheel to host gambling games and you get caught you will be punished. That should be enough for you.

            If your problem is the promotion of gambling through ideas that may come from a block I can see your point. You can speak your mind as a consumer of the game and make a choice on your moral standings and accept the game as it is or boycott and play something else.

            In the big picture, there are aspects of the game that I would consider a gamble. When an item of the month offers several colors and one is more rare anyone who purchases it is essentially in a gamble to get the rare version of the item of the month for more value. I can probably think of a few examples of this. If I buy a cave world I am gambling on the treasure I will get from it. Spending gems on the hope of getting something and being disappointed is a gamble. I could probably think and list many examples but I hope that's enough to make my point. Have you as a kid ever used a crane machine in hopes of getting a stuffed animal? I've seen crane machines in every shopping center and arcade that I have ever been to. You spend a dollar in the hopes that the claw will hold your prize. Have you ever been to a carnival as a kid? Do you see all the games that kids can play in hopes of winning a prize? I know you won't digest my points because people have tunnel vision on a crusade. I'm basically saying it isn't a big deal, or you have a lot more to worry about than a roulette wheel on the crusade to make the world a better place. Gambling exists in more places than just casinos.

            What I am saying is some of you are hyper-focused on a detail in a game without seeing the big picture of life. Honestly, it isn't a big enough deal to merit your conviction over pixels in a video game. It brings me back to my original point. You don't have to like anything. You can ignore it and avoid it. It doesn't have to bother you. You are letting it and trying to dictate to me as a consumer what you think is best for me when you don't even own the product.
            Agreeing with Shawn Wilson here, somewhat.

            We've all established already, that this thread has become pointless now, since removing the function of Roulette Wheels won't do anything to help lower the amount of casinos, because there are plenty more ways to gamble with all kinds of RNGs. The problem was started by the block (maybe), but it's not about Roulette Wheels anymore.
            It's the players, who don't understand.

            They're hoping for their luck to continue and if they gamble more next time and lose, well, that's their own fault. If there weren't any players playing in the casinos, the casinos would die out. They have to understand the consequences (firstly, because they're illegal) and they can't rely on some made-up luck (secondly, because they will eventually lose).

            So if you really wanna make a difference, OldGertie: help spread awareness, that casinos won't do any good for you (just like in real life), in the end you'll always lose and you'll lose big. Or, apply to be a Guardian or a Moderator in the near future.

            Closing this thread now (hoping the other one is closed as well), there's no point for further debate.
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            • #96
              Love them or hate them, the roulette wheel is probably the block used in the most illegal activity. Not only are they used in casinos, but vend scams love to use them for visual clutter. With those text boxes. Removing wheels won’t stop casinos at all, if you remove wheels they will just use roshambo and dice. Remove those? And they will just break dirt blocks and see if they get seeds like those dirt games.

              The visual clutter from the wheel on the other hand is a problem, and should be dealt with.
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              • #97
                Closing thread now, once again
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                • #98
                  Agree... its should be removed... or its function disabled to merely decorative.
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                  • #99
                    Christ sake,this is one huge long thread but I'mma just leave my reply here

                    might as well remove roshambo,dice,slot machine and gems from blocks since you can literally bet on anything else lmao. removing the wheel WON'T fix anything or make any small change,casino owners will just resort to Roshambo,dice etc
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                    • Originally posted by Liquify View Post
                      Christ sake,this is one huge long thread but I'mma just leave my reply here

                      might as well remove roshambo,dice,slot machine and gems from blocks since you can literally bet on anything else lmao. removing the wheel WON'T fix anything or make any small change,casino owners will just resort to Roshambo,dice etc
                      just leave the game be tbh, dont alter what has been implemented to the game for years just because casinos exist.

                      give the mods jobs to do, plus theres GGs now so, i don't see any problem on why y'all tryna make a fuss after some famous superstar icon in-game who got banned from roulettes..

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                      • Why remove roulette wheel

                        Well after reading a few of the posts I belive if u make the roulette wheel Into a farmable by increasing the gems and seed drops.

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                        • I also think, that removing roulette wheels from game isn't a solution. Players will find another way to gamble and scam. Dice, roshambo and even different kinds of lights like chandelier.

                          But I agree, that this suggestion would at least reduce gambling possibilities.

                          Originally posted by lightvolts View Post
                          Keep blocks
                          keep spin
                          remove numbers
                          And what goes to this comment,

                          Originally posted by ooopsi View Post
                          Not an issue, devs renamed delicate tools to reliable tools, owner of buydelicate didn't complain much.
                          everyone won't make a big number of themselves, but I can assure, that this affected the owner massively.

                          If item would be removed from game, owner of buyroulette would lose a lot. For example I have the main lock in world buyslotmachine and it's spliced from roulettes, what would happen then? So it wouldn't be fair to make such changes in game.

                          About latest events; if players and even mods are hosting dice games without gambling, why can't you do it with roulette wheels? Or should it be stated in gt rules, that we have a block called roulette wheel in game, but you aren't allowed to use it? Just saying...
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                          • People, stop.

                            We’ve already discussed about everything in this thread, this topic is old now, stop bumping it up.

                            Please someone close this thread.
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                            • Originally posted by Pinuski View Post
                              I also think, that removing roulette wheels from game isn't a solution. Players will find another way to gamble and scam. Dice, roshambo and even different kinds of lights like chandelier.

                              But I agree, that this suggestion would at least reduce gambling possibilities.



                              And what goes to this comment,



                              everyone won't make a big number of themselves, but I can assure, that this affected the owner massively.

                              If item would be removed from game, owner of buyroulette would lose a lot. For example I have the main lock in world buyslotmachine and it's spliced from roulettes, what would happen then? So it wouldn't be fair to make such changes in game.

                              About latest events; if players and even mods are hosting dice games without gambling, why can't you do it with roulette wheels? Or should it be stated in gt rules, that we have a block called roulette wheel in game, but you aren't allowed to use it? Just saying...
                              I think reason for ban was not using roulette.. I think they got ban cause they wanted mods attention so badly. And yes, perma ban is little too much. But well, we cant discuss about bans so we can't know real reason, but i hope they will change this perma ban to uba or even 60 days or something. They didn't scam, they didn't harm others, they just wasted mods time. Sure if we all would waste mods time like this, there would be more scammers what mods can't ban cause we try get attention, but still, perma ban is too much.
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                              • Originally posted by Eutimio View Post
                                The fact that those owners will change their means of gambling is already a great start. The difference between using dirt and using roulette is that, dirt was originally designed to be a building block but roulette was originally designed to help people gamble. If people start using dirt as a means of gambling, then that's where Guardians and Moderators, aka manpower is going to be utilized well.
                                That makes literally no sense. How would dirt casinos (which already exist and are wildly popular by the way) make the moderators’ jobs any easier? Instead of looking for two people standing on either side of a roulette wheel, now, with such ease, they can spend tens minutes per world observing a dirt tree to see whether or not it is being used in a bet? That sounds incredibly inefficient. What is actually made better by that?

                                Originally posted by Eutimio View Post
                                Thanks for accurately missing the OP's point.
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                                The OP’s point is nothing more than a guess asserted as fact with no backing evidence.

                                Originally posted by Eutimio View Post
                                I just concluded you don't even make any valid points and you just say it won't make a difference every time the OP says something. You don't even elaborate or actually structure your argument. Pathetic.
                                You criticize the lack of substance and proof in the argument, yet you fail to provide any yourself? Pathetic.

                                We would all be better off if you explained to us what evidence you have that removing roulette wheels would correlate with a decrease of casinos. Ah, but I mean actual evidence, not some nonsensical induction stuck in functionality fixedness.

                                Originally posted by Eutimio View Post
                                That's why the OP is playing it, BECAUSE GROWTOPIA IS NOT A STUPID (aka fortnite) GAME. It's a smart game played by stupid players.
                                k bud. Keep believing that.

                                Originally posted by Eutimio View Post
                                Roulette wheels' function is coded for gambling. So why not take that code out and keep the block. Gambling is illegal anyway and that function only serves that purpose.

                                We shouldn't remove the drop function because it was made to actually drop items. Roulette wheels' function was made to release a RANDOM NUMBER so people can gamble.
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                                Originally posted by OldGertie View Post
                                Give this person a medal. Everything so clearly explained. If a dev or whatever is reading the thread, do NOT in any way exclude this. This is most likely the most constructive and accurate reply the thread has gotten so far. And thank you for that!
                                A reply that restates the OP and refuses to address the major logical flaw within the main refute? Sounds like confirmation bias.

                                Originally posted by Tangramboy View Post
                                We’ve already discussed about everything in this thread, this topic is old now, stop bumping it up.

                                Please someone close this thread.
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