Permanent removal from game is too harsh

[Recreate]

First of all, i think you misunderstood my point.

SUSPENSIONS ARE IMPORTANT AND MUST BE INLUDED AS PART OF THE GAME ELSE IT WILL CREATE CHAOS.

2ndly,
Does super broadcasting a NSFW content 2 word phrase as a joke deserve a permanent ban?
If done repeatedly yes, we all know that 10 year olds plays this game, there is a limit. NSFW stuff must be enforced including racial slurs etc.
Does boosting in 1 tournament deserve a permanent ban?
If done repeatedly yes, people were caught boosting on multiple occasions this banned. MOBAs games also experience such problem and growtopia isn't the only one dishing out such punishments.
Does some scamming/ drop game deserve a permanent ban? (Sometimes given suspensions)
Yes, if done repeatedly. We have been warned time and time again. Everywhere you go you see the no scamming rules.
Does autoclicking/ auto farming for the very first time deserve a permanent ban? (or even wrongly accused)
wrongly accused can be appealed through support. No autofarming is currently being enforced across all bfgs, one using must know the risk.
Does sharing account with your friend or cousin with intentions of promoting the game do so much harm deserve a permanent ban?
for this one I haven't experienced it or seen it yet so idk.
Does hosting a roullete game which does not involve betting deserve a permanent ban?
Depends, if you purposely make it look like a casino set up, u can be legally banned for attempt to waste mods time.
Does involving in a drama through SBs deserve a permanent ban?
Yes, as I say again, kids are playing.if you create drama be prepared to get ur megaphone taken away / duct taped and be banned, commiting multiple times will result in a perma ban
Does pretending to be a mod AS A JOKE deserve a permanent ban?
Yes, impersonating will result in a ban to perma banned. We all know why it's dangerous.
Ban is mostly for warning, perma banned is for those that goes too far to collect personal information, hacking etc.
Is it fair to be suspended for accusation of ban evading because ur sibling was banned and you get suspended because of using same wifi?
Yes, it's the best way to keep out alts, but you can log in to your account on a different wifi which will prove your innocence. So you let your sibling do illegal stuff while on the same wifi, both are bad imo. I always reinforce what guest do with my wifi when they come over.

Is it fair when your friends whose a hacker, passes you some illegal duped items and you dont even know what's going on. Then you get suspended for being accuses of helping a hacker?
Ban appeal is there for a reason. And there are logs to check.

Not to mention, some of the reasons for their bans could even be falsely accused. They COULD be innocent.
Ban appeal exist.

These acts are definietly wrong, which i do not disagree but the extent to which they are punished through a suspension is TOO HARSH. This acts deserve a punishment such as a super long ban such as 360/730 for them to reflect on what wrong they did and hopefully will turn over a new leaf. However, if they repeat their offence, they will be suspended. As for exploiting, IAP frauding, casino hosting, they deserve perma bans with no 2nd chances
You think autofarmer deserve a 2nd chance but not casino hosters?

I was a casino hoster, I have been banned for 60 days. I was given a 2nd chance. I greatly thank Ubisoft for where I am rn.

Currently all I can see is your super biased perspective.

I hope you will have different perspective of things now.

Here's the reply I made from the other thread.

What you are fighting for makes me utterly digusted.
So you have been sleeping the cave for 3 years now? Or did you just came here to rant about your salty ban indirectly.

All your arguments are invalid without evidence. Logs will be check to determine the ban. Unjust ban can be appealed via support, you are suggesting unfair bans instead.

[Lopyhupis]

He's been suspended for over 2 months.

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Notice how he only denies being banned for autofarming, and does not deny autofarming.

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Notice how he only denies being banned for autofarming, and does not deny autofarming.

Oh, that’s a mood, honestly I hope all autofarmers burn in hell

[Kyeosi]

Oh, that’s a mood, honestly I hope all autofarmers burn in hell

Yes, they are bad...

[Allen]

I got an unjustified suspension. I asked support why I got suspended, and they said I sold accounts. I barely even did anything on GT, weeks before I saw the ban. Support never helped me at all and they don't want to offer help. Instead of replying with, "Oh we'll check the logs to see what happened." They replied, "You, were banned for a reason. We won't be replying to anymore emails about it."
Like at least show me why you think I was selling accounts or worthy of a ban. I don't even think they read my replies and listened to my part of the story.

[Liquify]

I actually empathize with them. They arnt just "strangers" to me. They dm me, begging me for help, they wish me luck and also hope ubisoft will help us and bring about a positive change. I can sense the hardship and sadness they are facing, i sympathize with them. (SOUNDS CRINGE SRY) I just want to help everyone out and bring a change to the game which I have been with for many years.

it doesn't matter if someone are willing to change,bringing them back will still cause harm cause not all of them are willing to change. once again,if they don't bother to read or obey the rule,then they should pay for it.

[Lopyhupis]

I got an unjustified suspension. I asked support why I got suspended, and they said I sold accounts. I barely even did anything on GT, weeks before I saw the ban. Support never helped me at all and they don't want to offer help. Instead of replying with, "Oh we'll check the logs to see what happened." They replied, "You, were banned for a reason. We won't be replying to anymore emails about it."
Like at least show me why you think I was selling accounts or worthy of a ban. I don't even think they read my replies and listened to my part of the story.

"We only suspend accounts due to the following reasons:
1. Something bad
2. Something terrible
3. Unacceptable act
4. You destroy our game
5. You make irl money off game.
We won't be replying to any more emails about this issue."
10/10 true story

Exactly, what you said, they only suspend accounts if you do something terrible.

[Allen]

Exactly, what you said, they only suspend accounts if you do something terrible.

I'd be glad to see logs which made them think I did the terrible act.

[Lopyhupis]

I'd be glad to see logs which made them think I did the terrible act.

They do not share logs so due to privacy and security reasons, ergo if a person with horrible intentions gains access of any log informations they could use this to circumvent detections systems.

[Allen]

They do not share logs so due to privacy and security reasons, ergo if a person with horrible intentions gains access of any log informations they could use this to circumvent detections systems.

https://www.growtopiagame.com/forums...=1#post4110840

[Lopyhupis]

https://www.growtopiagame.com/forums...=1#post4110840

You realize that it’s more advanced that that right? The system logs record EVERYTHING, every message every trade every step, every punch, every jump, when system logs are reviewed every aspect is reviewed, not “just what they thought they saw” The system logs hold 100% Solid evidence.

Here is an expample, one of my IAP’s didn’t go through, I email support they checked the logs( And receipt ) and gave me my gems EASY PEASY, the logs are final.

Seriously....

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it doesn't matter if someone are willing to change,bringing them back will still cause harm cause not all of them are willing to change. once again,if they don't bother to read or obey the rule,then they should pay for it.

Exactly, the majority of players banned will continue to commit atrocities.

[TobyLerasco]

Seriously, the poll...you can’t just call a group of people evil just because they don’t agree with what you think.

[HugeLock]

Seriously, the poll...you can’t just call a group of people evil just because they don’t agree with what you think.

It's like asking: "do you agree with me" Or "are you a evil serial killer".

[Endorphins]

As you all know, you have to deal with the fact that growtopia IS dying. Players online in the morning are as low as 6k online and peak hours surg at 40k-50k which is lesser than previous years of up to 60k players. I am not against the game or anything but i feel that something must be done and changed about this.

This thread is not targetted to those famous/ rich people but in fact, a major portion of the growtopia community. Thousands of players are getting suspended be it by accident, mild reasons and even severely illegal reasons. People get suspended for no reason such as being the scapegoat of a drama or whatever reason. Some get suspended for little reasons which do not have to result in such a harsh punishment such as being toxic or causing drama in SBs. There are also players doing illegal things such as hacking or casino activities. HOWEVER, the fact that ubisoft bans innocent players who do nothing wrong is absolutely WRONG! For example, a player *CENSORED* who got hacked gets banned by a moderator so that the hacker can stop cerating further problems as the moderator is trying to help him. HOWEVER, he never gets unbanned after that and loses everything he possessed. This is just one of the several bans which are not worth it. Another example, a really rich and famous player who invested tons of hours and hardship on the game, boost 1 tournament and for that, gets a permanent suspension instead of a tournament ban or normal ban which is slightly harsher.

The point is being suspended from the game is too of harsh punishment, affecting a major part of the community. Being permanently removed from the game after years of hardwork and dedication, over a really mild/ severe or even an invalid issue. As you can see from the results, growtopia already lost a major portion of the community. Maybe scammers who have been suspended have learnt their lesson and want to turn over a new leaf?

As a solution, i think that the idea of suspensions on less severe crimes should be removed . It should be replaced with a maybe 1 year ban, or at most a 2 year ban. However, being suspended forever isnt just the best idea. All the effort and time of the thousands of people is futile. However, players who have done IAP frauds, hacking, CSN hosting/ spammers/ exploiting, etc. should be given a permanent ban as it harms the community.

However, players who get punished for vulgarity/ drama in SB/ pretending to be a mod/ autoclicking/ scamming. Should be given less harmful punishment. IM NOT SAYING THAY THEY SHOULDNT BE PUNISHED. They should still be dealt with a painful and ahrsh punishment such as a very long 180/360/720 day ban. Im sure they will learn their lesson and never repeat it.

Now, many of you might be totally against this idea as you are not banned and completely happy. But keep in mind of those innocent friends and people who got banned or deserved a punishment that wasnt a permanent deletion from the game. What do you guys think of a non- suspension related bans?

This is the voice of part of the community which has been shut down. We hope, ubisoft has a change in their system to further improve the quality of the game. Thanks.

I am truly grateful to everyone who supports this suggestion as it will leave a huge impact on the game and can change things for the better. THANKS TO EVERY SUPPORT!

FYI POLL IS WRONG THERE WILL BE SUSPENSIONS but those are reserved for extremely serious crimes such as IAP fruads/ spammers/ csn host/ exploiting/ etc.. Less serious crimes which are still deemed to be bad offences should be given very long bans as stated such as 180/360/730 day bans. The person will surely change and not make a repeat of their action such as toxicity/scamming/ autofarming. It is more of a hope that they learnt their lesson and will not repeat it. But, if the crime is commited again even after their long ban is removed, they will be given a suspension.

I feel like permaban show be for people who do casino, autofarm, hack, sell wls, stuff like that. But not for having a bit of fun.

Edit: Permaban could change a bit but it should mostly stay the same, most people that said no more are most likely people that are permabanned themselves.

[Leqend of Legend]

Those who got perma banned for committing less serious offenses should be given a legitimate full 730 day ban, not suspension

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If all of the 100's of bans are as 'unfair' as yours, then all of them must have come from autofarming.

The fact that you only focus about my ban because you have nothing else to justify your point. You've always been this salty ever since I saw you in game. I dont even care if they dont unban me but I'm just wanting to help others and improve the game. If ubisoft doesnt want to consider anything, its not my problem and i dont have a loss. The results of any of the actions will be proved over the years.

[Lopyhupis]

Those who got perma banned for committing less serious offenses should be given a legitimate full 730 day ban, not suspension

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The fact that you only focus about my ban because you have nothing else to justify your point. You've always been this salty ever since I saw you in game. I dont even care if they dont unban me but I'm just wanting to help others and improve the game. If ubisoft doesnt want to consider anything, its not my problem and i dont have a loss. The results of any of the actions will be proved over the years.

Oh, my god. First of all I literally could care less about your ban at this point, I literally had no idea you even were banned until about a day ago, people who do commit less serious crimes DO NOT GET PERMA BANS, only people who commit serious atrocities and offenses get perma Banned, the only exception to this rule is compromised accounts that were used to commit atrocities and other offences.