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    URGENT NOTE

    Hey! As you all have noticed, there have been 3 new Guardians. That doesn’t sound like a big deal at first, but I deduce they are starting to run out of worthy applicants, since that’s 50% less than last application. They had about the same time to train them, thus further proving my point. Lowering the age requirement might seem like a great option now.



    Look, I guess that by now you know Ubisoft said there would be 5 Guardians per batch. On the first application we got 6, which was awesome. Then, on this application, we got 3. We can all agree that the more Guardians the merrier, right? Then why, after saying we would have about 5 Guardians per application, we got 3, 50% less than the last application? I’ve yet to see a reason other than they are running out of good applicants. It’s the third time (counting the next application, coming soon to the gazette) they are looking through nearly all the same applicants. I deduce (keep that word in mind, deduce, that means to reach a conclusion via logic) that they are running out of worthy applicants. They are looking for something immensely precise and rare, not every person can be a Guardian. In my opinion, it’s time to change that. We can get brand new and possibly worthy Guardians by simply reducing the age requirement, and I’m not even mentioning my other arguments about why they should lower the requirement. Sorry if I might have sounded rude here.


    Hi there, everyone! It’s been about two months. How have you been? Recently I asked a staff member to reopen a thread I made about the Guardian applications. Since it was unsuccessful and I was advised by the staff member to make another thread, I’m writing this to bring back that discussion. Hope that’s not a problem. Have a nice day!

    Important additions to the thread (constantly being edited):
    I’ve got two reasons why they should hire younger people. First, you can get even more Guardians than before. I remember someone telling me a staff member sayid that they were planning to have 50 guardians (which, in my opinion isn’t quite viable, too many guardians for 6 months) or so by the end of the last year right after the Guardian role was introduced. It was stated on the forums, actually. If they wanted that many guardians, a good move would be lowering the age cap, which would allow more applicants, therefore more potential Guardians. If they’re going for quality, lowering the age cap is also a good idea, since, as I said, some people younger might be as fit for the job as a 16 year old.

    Yes, they could easily wait some time to apply. The problem is, they will often quit. Let me explain. Most players are in the range of 8 and 12 year olds. I’m taking a guess based on some of my friends here. Considering most players will play for 2-3 years before quitting, some players will end up quitting when they’re 13-15 (yes, some stay longer, that’s just the average player). Based on this and some other facts, I thought 14 years old was a great age requirement. Not to mention the boost of applicants when they (theoretically) lower the age requirement to 14. As I said in the main thread and my replies to people there are multiple benefits to lowering the age requirement. People quitting, as I stated here, is one of the many benefits there are to lowering the age requirement.

    Younger people will have more years to contribute to Growtopia, since they are younger and thus have less responsibilities. It seems like I’m repeating reasons at first glance, but it’s different, let me explain. Let’s suppose it takes 1 year for a Guardian to become a mod (I’m addressing the argument about Guardians being mods in training). If they hired someone who was 16, which is the bare minimum as of now, that person would be 17 (or even more) by then. One more year and they would be going to college or getting a full-time job, which both take an enormous part of the day, and thus they wouldn’t have much time to dedicate to Growtopia, which is very bad, as they’re looking for people who will stay in Growtopia for a long period of time. 14 year olds would have 2 more years to work for Growtopia, for example. Also, they would have time to evaluate if the person is qualified for the job as a moderator, 1 year seems like a great period of time.

    There’s an arcticle I stated on the original thread in Columbia University’s virtual library saying younger people learn faster than older people. How can this benefit Ubisoft? Hassle could be reduced drastically, thus allowing more time to be spent on other duties, or even allowing more Guardians to be recruited.

    While I do agree that having an age restriction is good, it can be reduced. Aside from the benefits shown in the main thread and the replies, there is one other point I’d like to touch. We have yet to see any of the recruited Guardians to do something severely bad, and reducing the requirement by 2 years (which by itself isn’t too much, even though I agree it’s a reasonable amount of time) coupled with strict examination and and avaliation by Ubisoft, this shouldn’t be a problem at all.

    I’ll try to make this more clear, sorry if it wasn’t as clear before. I’ll separate my reasonings in 2 parts. First, there’s the part stating that young people are as mature as 16+ year olds. Then, there’s the part saying the benefits younger people have over 16+ year olds. Most people miss one of the parts, however both are crucial to my argument, and should not be missed by any means.

    Just passing by to say that I do not consider becoming a Guardian an achievement. It’s rather something a selected few are chosen for, and pretty much dedicate their time with Growtopia solely to that, not something you just do for ‘fun’, and then forget about it.

    Original thread

    EDIT: During the span of these 24 hours I noticed that I might have explained way too vaguely. What I really mean by this thread is that there ARE exceptions. I agree, some of the younger people might not be experienced enough to be fit for the job, but some are. The general idea of this thread is that there are exceptions. Even though they are rare, in my opinion they should be recognized. How to know if someone is fit for the job? The application itself should be enough to demonstrate maturity. By reducing the age requirement, you’ll open yourself to hundreds of new possibilities. Who knows what might be waiting for you? Aside from that, if you don’t like any of the applications, don’t hire younger people. It might cost a little bit more time, but if there’s a good person there, you’d be rewarded with a great Guardian. If it wasn’t for Seth and Hamumu’s choice, one of the most famous Growtopian youtuber who influenced thousands of people and brought many players to the game probably wouldn’t be that successful (I’m talking about ShadowSurfer). So please, do take younger people in consideration. It will probably do more good than harm.

    I really do not want to cause drama. I only want to share my opinion. Please don’t bring violence to this thread. Let’s respect everyone else’s opinions. Thank you for your comprehension.

    Hello. First of all, I’d like to state that I do not intend to offend anyone nor criticize Ubisoft harshly. My purpose is to present an argument on why Ubisoft should lower the age requirement of the Guardian Application. I’ve got several reasons on why to do so.

    Minors can indeed sign any type of document, including NDAs. As an added bonus, in some countries voluntary work is not considered an employment relationship. If that’s not enough, a parent or responsible can also sign the document. If you’re still questioning yourself why you should hire people younger than 16, keep in mind younger people tend to learn things faster according to this study: https://edlab.tc.columbia.edu/blog/1...er-than-Adults. They also have a good work ethic, such as being workaholics, shown by this arcticle: https://www.google.com.br/amp/s/www....cs-is-here/amp.

    Usually, they have more free time, thus leading to more play time, and maturity can be found on them, even though it’s a little bit more scarce. If you think the sources are weak pieces of evidence, what I said is proven by ShadowSurfer, a former Moderator who was hired when he was 14. Many considered him a very good Moderator during his active period.

    All I ask for is Ubisoft to, please, at least give a chance to younger people. They can still be great Guardians. Afterall, Guardians don’t have much power, so they can’t even harm Growtopia that much.

    Questions

    1.Younger people are rarely mature and sometimes it’s hard to trust them!
    Answer: That, in my opinion, is one of the main reasons why the Guardian role was created. It’s a scaled down version of a moderator who can’t do much harm to the game. Plus, they are monitored very closely, so this shouldn’t be a problem.

    2.Maybe the job is way too stressful to them.
    Answer: They can choose to do the application. Doing it isn’t really necessary. If they feel it’s way too much for them, they don’t need to apply. Aside from that, Ubisoft reads the applications carefully, thus they can choose the right person for the job.

    3.Why would Ubisoft even bother to change the requirement to 14? Many more applications would come, thus making them waste more time.
    Answer: The applications we’re getting right now are mostly from the same applicants as December. If Ubisoft lowers the requirement, they would get brand new applicants.

    Again, I value your opinion a lot. I’m just giving my own opinion here.

    My opinion about the age requirement:

    I’ve seen people suggesting 14 and 15 years of age requirement. There are hundreds, if not thousands of players who would want to speak about this here, but don’t know about the forums. Not to mention ShadowSurfer was 14 when he was hired. So maybe we can agree on 14.

    Thank you for your attention.
    Last edited by John S.; 06-27-2020, 10:28 PM.

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    Infact they should raise it to 18, we DO NOT want 14 year olds moderating the game NO MATTER what, hate me however you want but that is the truth.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by CzeGamer View Post
      Infact they should raise it to 18, we DO NOT want 14 year olds moderating the game NO MATTER what, hate me however you want but that is the truth.
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      • #4
        To be my self in this comment I agree on maybe lowering the age requirement but maybe looking more carefully on applicants then. Yes there's mature people on younger groups.

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        • #5
          Hi, I see what you're saying but I think Ubisoft chose 16 for a reason.
          They could've made it 14-15, but they didn't.
          Personally, I couldn't see myself being in that position under 16 as it's a certain kind of pressure put onto a kid.
          There's school, family, life etc. and Growtopia does take a huge chunk of it.

          And it's also not that big of an issue, as they could just wait until they're that age.
          It would really show their determination to help the community and their activity throughout the years.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by gesine View Post
            Hi, I see what you're saying but I think Ubisoft chose 16 for a reason.
            They could've made it 14-15, but they didn't.
            Personally, I couldn't see myself being in that position under 16 as it's a certain kind of pressure put onto a kid.
            There's school, family, life etc. and Growtopia does take a huge chunk of it.

            And it's also not that big of an issue, as they could just wait until they're that age.
            It would really show their determination to help the community and their activity throughout the years.
            Thats true i agree on that also and it would be good for the community to see some people with the dedication like that.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DoNothings View Post
              To be my self in this comment I agree on maybe lowering the age requirement but maybe looking more carefully on applicants then. Yes there's mature people on younger groups.
              That’s exactly my point!

              As I said in my original post, I’m reaching out to the forums in the name of people who don’t know what the forums are or don’t want to bother making an account, and it just so happens that most people here are older, thus having a bias towards keeping the age requirement. If there’s anyone reading this, please keep in mind that’s the case, and although many people might say keeping the age requirement is better, there are loads of people in the game that would say otherwise.

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              • #8
                I disagree. I would prefer not to be policed by someone that has not finished middle school.

                It is not about performing the task — literally anyone can sit back and ban casino worlds and autofarmers. There is such a superficial level of maturity required here; essentially, if one has the discipline to conduct themselves properly and not power trip, they can perform this task well. The problem is the “mature applicants” that cite zealously moderating some dead Discord server as reference enough are typically horrible to deal with. Everybody, at the age of fourteen, boasts of maturity — I did so myself. However, that is simply not the case because maturity is not simply performing a job that a taskmaster assigns.

                Being personable is not something that can be outright taught; it either comes naturally or is gradually learned through experience. One can contrive this trait and masquerade as a model player, but it is obvious when these people do so, and nobody likes them. People like being moderated by people that can perform the job, and people they feel comfortable talking to.

                People like to cite Zerkon as being the young moderator, but what did he actually do? Do not get me wrong, for I have talked with Zerkon on several occasions via a mutual friend, and he was a cool guy. It cannot be denied that he is only memorable for being young; he did his job and that was it. So yes, younger people can perform the duties of a moderator — anyone can — but there is no sense wasting time reading applications of people that can do the job when older applicants almost always have a better sense of professionalism and personality than the average teen.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ohlid View Post
                  I disagree. I would prefer not to be policed by someone that has not finished middle school.

                  It is not about performing the task — literally anyone can sit back and ban casino worlds and autofarmers. There is such a superficial level of maturity required here; essentially, if one has the discipline to conduct themselves properly and not power trip, they can perform this task well. The problem is the “mature applicants” that cite zealously moderating some dead Discord server as reference enough are typically horrible to deal with. Everybody, at the age of fourteen, boasts of maturity — I did so myself. However, that is simply not the case because maturity is not simply performing a job that a taskmaster assigns.

                  Being personable is not something that can be outright taught; it either comes naturally or is gradually learned through experience. One can contrive this trait and masquerade as a model player, but it is obvious when these people do so, and nobody likes them. People like being moderated by people that can perform the job, and people they feel comfortable talking to.

                  People like to cite Zerkon as being the young moderator, but what did he actually do? Do not get me wrong, for I have talked with Zerkon on several occasions via a mutual friend, and he was a cool guy. It cannot be denied that he is only memorable for being young; he did his job and that was it. So yes, younger people can perform the duties of a moderator — anyone can — but there is no sense wasting time reading applications of people that can do the job when older applicants almost always have a better sense of professionalism and personality than the average teen.
                  Hey there! You’ve got some good points. However, one of the main points of this thread is for Ubisoft to get more applicants, sure, most of them will be your average teenager, but some might stand out. They already did two applications and it just might be getting a little bit hard to choose between applicants. Don’t get me wrong, they eventually might get people who will do the job just fine, but there are exceptions between 14-15 year olds. If that doesn’t work out, it won’t be a huge deal, you could either filter applications mid-way through picking people or raise the requirement back up next applications. Even then, Guardians don’t have the power to ruin Growtopia. Lowering the age requirement is something small that might have a huge impact and save time. Also, you stated one of the reasons why I decided to mention ShadowSurfer, and not Zerkon on the original post. Shadow was 14 when he was hired and he was a very memorable staff member.

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                  • #10
                    All I'm seeing here is a 14 year old who doesn't want to wait X number of years to be eligible for some halfway useless nerfed-mod position.

                    I've been playing since 2013. I can probably count on one hand the number of 14 year olds who showed maturity to have even remote power in the game.
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                    • #11
                      I'm 14 years old and people think I'm 16 or 18 or what because of the way I act, but I have to disagree with this. Even if the chances of 14 year old applicants being chosen is quite slim, I would still disagree. 16 is already enough, in fact, even if 16 year olds are already quite mature and ready for these kinds of stuff, chances of them being chosen as a moderator is still slim.

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                      • #12
                        I wonder why do people wants to be part of moderator team in forum. I mean the team doesn't issue any recruitment yet so... It sounds like too much work for me. I rather bake a cake here

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                        • #13
                          I'm 20 yr.o. I know mods below 18 years old who used to moderate the game in a good way.(past!!!!!!!!!) So if the role we talk about is guardians, there shouldn't be an age problem. "Plus, they are monitored very closely, so this shouldn’t be a problem."
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                          • #14
                            one of the many reasons were mentioned above, but I would like to bring in how older players tend to be more exposed to more different experiences and attitudes as they age. Personally feel a requirement for older 16 would be more suitable, and 18 as even more suitable.

                            Yes you could say maturity does not develop with age, but for a lot of cases, more experience/exposure builds up maturity, which also means living long enough to experience more.

                            Also honestly, younger players being promoted for slight power gain and all that expectations they have to live up to stay as a Guardian, is not just giving them extra responsibility, but put most of their focus on their addiction for the game to "handling the game" while wanting to progress on their own main account.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CzeGamer View Post
                              Infact they should raise it to 18, we DO NOT want 14 year olds moderating the game NO MATTER what, hate me however you want but that is the truth.
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