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    well i have a bit more appreciation for ubi now :v
    besides im one of the people who dont care now, i might as well return when the game is dead/inactive (500-1k players) since some peace and quiet would be nice, even if 80% are spammers

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    ^ THIS. EXACTLY.
    meanwhile i thought someone forgot to change their pfp back

    meanwhile can u guys stop making updtes and just fix everything? all you have to do is to tune out the complains, you guys are the one at a higher ground here, not them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyy View Post
    meanwhile i thought someone forgot to change their pfp back

    meanwhile can u guys stop making updtes and just fix everything? all you have to do is to tune out the complains, you guys are the one at a higher ground here, not them.
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    The servers have been struggling today, because it had 15k normal players and 27k spammers on. Constant disconnects, doors lag, typing lags, device lag, everything lags. Nothing is even decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugeLock View Post
    Well, i already quit gt, and started pixel worlds because of that. And yes, The community is A LOT less toxic! People even donated to me, because i started a few hours earlier. I could feel the difference in the tocicity in the athmosphere of growtopia and Pixel Worlds, and Pixel Worlds has a better community, spam prevention, not nearly as many scams, only a few minor casinos. The Devs/mods/Community managers are really nice, and interactive with the community.

    It was like walking out of the Chernobyl nuclear plant AKA growtopia, and stepping into clean nature. + the game allows Copy pasting, and You can use russian letters, and åäö in the chat too.
    i don't remember when growtopia was actually fun to play last time. But pixel worlds is so damn much better in every possible way.

    + the game has an In-game System like Amazon or eBay.
    Look mate, saying something about the community is something different than saying something about the game. No one cares if the community became more toxic, that's none of Ubisoft's fault. No one cares about if pixel worlds had a better community. There are still scammers there and also toxic people. Believe it or not, every community has it's own kind of toxicness. Also, who said the devs/mods/ community managers aren't interactive with the community? Reg4shi taking time from his work to talk to us, sometimes jokes, and more. If you feel PW is better, then go play it and coming to Growtopia forums Since you claimed Growtopia has a system similar to Amazon or E-Bay, may you provide your reasoning with it and evidence? Also, you're a bit mixed up. There's a difference with allowing copy pasting and not allowing it but people unfortunately yet do it. It's in the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugeLock View Post
    The servers have been struggling today, because it had 15k normal players and 27k spammers on. Constant disconnects, doors lag, typing lags, device lag, everything lags. Nothing is even decent.
    How can you be so sure that 27 thousand are spammers? Also, the game was completely fine for me until the maintenance mode showed up. Maybe it's your wifi mate.

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    I never mentioned hackers, or community, or economy. I'm talking specifically about the game client being clunky and full of specific technical oversights. Oversights that aren't addressed, that die in "I'll tell the developers" phase. Even small oversights, like typos in Startopia or a visual bug when you use Ultrasound in Nose Job; they're easy to fix, but apparently hard to start working on.

    By "desperate firefighting state" I mean the situation where a new technical feature is introduced and starts being abused, so it has to be fixed/nerfed/cancelled. I think that there's too much QA and too little proactive thinking on the development side. It just feels like there's much more spaghetti code being written now than there was in the past. I don't really care about the economy.

    I personally favor the position that the whole game should be overwritten because it feels like the new features have been poorly glued onto the old engine, which causes all of the bugs and inconsistencies, and most importantly how slow it is on the most modern machines, but I think that's my borderline OCD talking.

    I don't want to bad mouth anyone, I genuinely want the game to be more enjoyable. I'm not willing to switch to Pixel Worlds because I'm too attached and have too many positive experiences here. I'm sticking with the sinking ship for now (not that it's sinking or anything, just a beautiful euphemism).
    You do realise the whole game being overwritten means that it will take A LOT of time to rewrite the codes and Growtopia won't be the same as before. Even if there are bugs, they are getting fixed so stop being so grumpy about it. If Growtopians were so grumpy about only 10 minutes of a server restart, you think they would like for the whole game to get rewritten? You can't rewrite a game while people are playing, basically game would go onto maintenance mode for a couple of months. Also, I'm not attacking you or anything but can you please tell me which modern machine has Growtopia slow? Because I have a lot of different laptops and my worst laptop can run Growtopia, which I'm grateful for. My newest laptop also runs Growtopia as smooth and fast as anything. Trust me, you don't want the whole game to be rewritten or it would lose the vibe that made people addicted to it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsisname View Post
    Notice how there's constantly something wrong with everything being released.

    I feel like the reason why "players online" stat dropped by half over a few years is because the game doesn't feel reliable. I'm going to go into comparing "then vs now" here, I hate doing that but I need to illustrate a point.

    In [whatever year there were 70k people online] the game was stable and reliable. A rollback was something unthinkable. Everything was neat (I don't know how to explain this feeling, but I think it's relatable). A dude looking for a game to invest a few thousand hours in would think "yeah, this is solid, it looks fantastic, I think I'll go with that one".

    In [whatever year is now] there's an emergency every week; you need less than an hour to find a few typos and bugs, and a few weeks to realize that they're not going anywhere; more ways to abuse the system have been added, but most of them weren't addressed at all.

    You never know what's going to happen to your efforts. The part of /rules that says "anything can happen to your stuff and we aren't responsible for restoring it" was supposed to be a last resort option, not something that always feels relevant.

    If I had a say in deciding how to fix this situation (which I don't, but might as well suggest), I'd spend a few months exclusively on fixing the problems (specifically: find a bug/typo/loophole, fix it; not some unclear conceptual garbage). If that means rewriting most of the game, rewrite it. If in process of that the staff can't handle this burden, get new staff. If in the end the player base won't be eternally grateful, I'll eat my laptop, because they will be. And so will the financial manager overseeing the project (or whatever).

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    I’m not sure if you’re implying that all of the current problems that exist are because of Ubisoft, but if you are, I can assure you that they aren’t.

    Going off of what you’re saying about how much the game has changed, I fully agree. However, what else did you expect? Once players realized the value and the recognition of being “rich” it was already too late. Immediately, scamming became a thing, and more exploits followed. The community, well, there’s some good and some bad. Personally, I don’t often see too much issues with it, but there are some occasions when I do.

    The game itself has also had quite a few issues, but like the things I mentioned above, none of it is Ubisoft’s fault.
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    Remember people, Growtopia was made by Seth and Hamumu. Not Ubisoft. If Ubisoft made the game then it would be smooth and there won't be bugs. It's that simple. People yet complain that the servers are "potato" and what not, but what you don't realise is that they're doing their best to keep the game alive. You can believe what you want. And don't be so grumpy about it, Ubisoft isn't the best at it when it comes to their servers, whether it was Ubisoft in Abu Dhabi or Ubisoft France. So just deal with it and move on. Bugs may come but they definitely go so what's the point of making these pointless claims on how to fix them when you clearly don't have experience in the field? There's no point. Just let them do what they're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fathi11 GT View Post
    Look mate, saying something about the community is something different than saying something about the game. No one cares if the community became more toxic, that's none of Ubisoft's fault. No one cares about if pixel worlds had a better community. There are still scammers there and also toxic people. Believe it or not, every community has it's own kind of toxicness. Also, who said the devs/mods/ community managers aren't interactive with the community? Reg4shi taking time from his work to talk to us, sometimes jokes, and more. If you feel PW is better, then go play it and coming to Growtopia forums Since you claimed Growtopia has a system similar to Amazon or E-Bay, may you provide your reasoning with it and evidence? Also, you're a bit mixed up. There's a difference with allowing copy pasting and not allowing it but people unfortunately yet do it. It's in the rules.

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    How can you be so sure that 27 thousand are spammers? Also, the game was completely fine for me until the maintenance mode showed up. Maybe it's your wifi mate.

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    You do realise the whole game being overwritten means that it will take A LOT of time to rewrite the codes and Growtopia won't be the same as before. Even if there are bugs, they are getting fixed so stop being so grumpy about it. If Growtopians were so grumpy about only 10 minutes of a server restart, you think they would like for the whole game to get rewritten? You can't rewrite a game while people are playing, basically game would go onto maintenance mode for a couple of months. Also, I'm not attacking you or anything but can you please tell me which modern machine has Growtopia slow? Because I have a lot of different laptops and my worst laptop can run Growtopia, which I'm grateful for. My newest laptop also runs Growtopia as smooth and fast as anything. Trust me, you don't want the whole game to be rewritten or it would lose the vibe that made people addicted to it in the first place.
    1. A community is The most important part of the game. Have you been living under some rock, since you think nobody cares about how toxic the community is? or are you just inexperienced in this game? And yes, The toxicity of the community is not so much Ubisoft's fault, but they can affect it in several ways good, or bad. I'd suggest that you learn some English that people actually understand, since half of your post can't be figured out. First off, specify which game you are talking about In that copypasting part?

    Copypasting text is allowed in pixelworlds, as long as you aren't heavily spamming, or being a bot. In Growtopia it is ILLEGAL, but people still do it, a lot of them remain unpunished.

    2. Dude, Did you even read my post properly? I said PIXELWORLDS has a system like Ebay or Amazon called PIXELSTATION. And NO, The DEVICE LAG is occurring because Growtopia is NOT optimized to run on My software/OS efficiently. NOT about my Internet connection AT ALL.

    3. Did you not read my post, or do you just not get sarcasm?
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    I wouldn’t blame ubisoft on this since they’re the ones fixing the problems, but it’s really just the community messing a lot of things up.

    I wish the team would take the risk by advertising this game, cause then they can actually earn money and profit from it, nowadays ppl buy dls from other ppl with money since its way cheaper, but if new players came around they’d buy gems and earn their way up + if they profit more they can actually fix the servers, anyways that’s just my thought of it...

    We really need a better community lol, but nothing is perfect i guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HugeLock View Post
    1. A community is The most important part of the game. Have you been living under some rock, since you think nobody cares about how toxic the community is? or are you just inexperienced in this game? And yes, The toxicity of the community is not so much Ubisoft's fault, but they can affect it in several ways good, or bad. I'd suggest that you learn some English that people actually understand, since half of your post can't be figured out. First off, specify which game you are talking about In that copypasting part?

    Copypasting text is allowed in pixelworlds, as long as you aren't heavily spamming, or being a bot. In Growtopia it is ILLEGAL, but people still do it, a lot of them remain unpunished.

    2. Dude, Did you even read my post properly? I said PIXELWORLDS has a system like Ebay or Amazon called PIXELSTATION. And NO, The DEVICE LAG is occurring because Growtopia is NOT optimized to run on My software/OS efficiently. NOT about my Internet connection AT ALL.

    3. Did you not read my post, or do you just not get sarcasm?
    go play pixel worlds then, stop stalking the forums and whining about the game.

    Pixel Worlds is so amazing, they have an ebay or smth? Spamming is allowed in pixel worlds(copy-paste)? Wow, seems like somebody should quit and head over there! If you disagree with gt so much.

    also, not everyone speaks fluent english. you should learn their language. try to speak fluently.

    (yesyes, gt is an english-based game, however they don't know better).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fathi11 GT View Post
    Remember people, Growtopia was made by Seth and Hamumu. Not Ubisoft. If Ubisoft made the game then it would be smooth and there won't be bugs. It's that simple. People yet complain that the servers are "potato" and what not, but what you don't realise is that they're doing their best to keep the game alive. You can believe what you want. And don't be so grumpy about it, Ubisoft isn't the best at it when it comes to their servers, whether it was Ubisoft in Abu Dhabi or Ubisoft France. So just deal with it and move on. Bugs may come but they definitely go so what's the point of making these pointless claims on how to fix them when you clearly don't have experience in the field? There's no point. Just let them do what they're doing.
    I expected a bad post and I was wrong, this is pretty accurate. Both of them left the game in quite a terrible state, and HARDLY cared about any feedback other than PAW. They've hardly used forums and talked directly with people, and clearly the current Ubi mods have done a step towards that. It's a social game, community playing a big part. Hamumu hated it for most part, so community complains almost never went through
    Needless to say, the game has years worth of content. Adding new content and features may break other stuff unexpectedly as the game is large, it's not an easy task. I'm sure they're trying their best, but ultimately they didn't make the game and it sure takes some time to learn the ropes.

    The only thing I can maybe complain about is their unwillingness to expand their server count. Of which the only reason would be to maximize profit, but it harms player experience and their max player count has decreased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkie View Post
    go play pixel worlds then, stop stalking the forums and whining about the game.

    Pixel Worlds is so amazing, they have an ebay or smth? Spamming is allowed in pixel worlds(copy-paste)? Wow, seems like somebody should quit and head over there! If you disagree with gt so much.

    also, not everyone speaks fluent english. you should learn their language. try to speak fluently.

    (yesyes, gt is an english-based game, however they don't know better).
    I didn't say at any point that spamming was allowed. I just said COPY PASTING WAS ALLOWED.
    How the heck could i learn arabic line text or something? It's not even the international language of the world. I don't necessarily disagree with Growtopia, i am just criticizing it.
    I am not whining about this game on here, i am still criticizing it. The pixel worlds community is better, but the game has less features than Growtopia.
    Pixel worlds gets boring after a while, and i value features over the community.
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    The game has gone down a lot, I still enjoy it in some point... But I'd say I prefer Seth & Hamumu more than Ubisoft team. Reason for it would be probably how they handle the game. Also could say that the items they add to the game is pretty trash, out of quality.
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    its too common, this thread will never die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOTbeerr View Post
    Pixel worlds has a less toxic community because it has vastly less players
    All communities grow increasingly toxic when more players join
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    I have read through the points of each one here and I find them interesting, worth looking into. I shall add some of the shared insights here in my list of community feedback to share with the team.

    Do note though that there are reasons why some issues cannot be fixed ASAP or some features cannot be disabled or suggested items/features cannot be implemented... it all goes down to whether they are feasible or not, if they make sense to be added in or will it affect other factors in the game.

    There were indeed a lot of legacy bugs that were left in the game that needs fixing, which the team is already aware of. We'll fix all that can be fixed but some of them will take some time.

    Anyway, keep your input coming in.

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    Let me make something clear:
    • Don't care about "community being toxic"
    • Don't care about hackers
    • Don't care about economy
    • Don't care that the game "used to be better"
    • Don't care about Pixel Worlds (who brought that into the argument anyway)

    I'm talking specifically about clumsiness of the game engine. I feel like it's become less neat and more "updates poorly slapped onto old engine so that the kinda work", and apparently more updates result in something breaking and in need of hotfix. That leads me to believe that the developers aren't thinking through when they're programming the features, and proactivity is left at the door.

    I don't know how to fix it, apart from hiring new staff and rewriting everything (which would probably take a few months) for the sake of the future of the game, but that's admittedly extreme. Either way, either this mess is fixed, or unnecessary emergencies will keep popping up and presenting the game as unstable and not worth investing time into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsisname View Post
    Let me make something clear:
    I don't know how to fix it, apart from hiring new staff and rewriting everything (which would probably take a few months) for the sake of the future of the game, but that's admittedly extreme. Either way, either this mess is fixed, or unnecessary emergencies will keep popping up and presenting the game as unstable and not worth investing time into.
    Honestly, this kind of shows me how you don't know what you're talking about.
    Adding new staff or switching out existing staff in software developement will usually cause substantial loss in both quality and quantity.
    People need to get used to the new development environment, which could easily take a year.
    The new devs need to be taught, which will take time off the experienced people.
    This is especially present in seths legacy "Proton SDK", which he himself describes as "messy".
    Not to mention, that "rewriting everything" is just plain stupid.
    Yes, code should be cheap, but that's no excuse for the risk and expense.

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