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    It's sad that Ubisoft is doing this...
    I will use an analogy to illustrate my point.

    A man buys a knife from salesman1
    The man uses it to stab people
    Ubisoft (The law enforcing authority): Salesman1 should be arrested for providing the man with the means to kill people! (Just like BFG owners are getting their worlds nuked for providing autofarmers with a platform to autofarm)

    Excuse me, but what sort of logic is that?

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    Default This is a joke, right?

    For the record, im a player who doesn't play anymore. I haven't played for months.

    I still follow the forums, and from what I noticed recently is the new "autofarmers in your bfg will get you banned" thing is so ridiculous me and my team literally couldn't believe this at first.
    I was never doing massive amounts of BFGs (I used to own BFGLIST though), I just had a couple of bfgs, and when I hosted them I couldn't care less if someone is an autofarmer or not - because they're getting themselves banned and that's their choice.

    I think the new rule is a huge slap to the face of people who do bfgs. Not even alot! Even to a person who has a single bfg. He can just monitor it, right?
    This is a game for kids - I am sure there are players who don't even know what an autofarmer is; let alone distinguish them from a normal player.

    You expect players to pull people out of rooms? Horrible idea. People will instantly scream "You scammed my gems" and you will gain a bad reputation.
    Check by initiating a conversation? Terrible idea. There are players who may not be able to answer - having chat set to "friends only" or simply not knowing English.

    I am sure there's a hundred other reasons why this is an incredibly bad change, but I simply cannot list them.

    I think it's up to moderators/devs to take care of autofarmers. I know it's a fight that may be very hard to win, but I don't think that involving innocent players will serve you well.

    Don't really know what else to say, just wanted to let staff know what I think about this, and I see i'm not the only one having a negative opinion regarding this idea.

    Other reasons why this is stupid:
    Quote Originally Posted by ROOTbeerr View Post
    Also, they don’t hold BUY world owners responsible for spammers; they are dealt with by the moderators. Yet BFG owners are held responsible and threatened with nukes if they have autofarmers in their world? The moderators don’t help BFG owners I guess, only threaten to ban them.

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    Default My 2-cents on the New Announcement on BFGs and Auto Farmers.

    Right to the point,

    It's a healthy change in my opinion, and overall a good choice. (If put better care into)
    If you own a BFG it is your responsibility to watch over Auto-Farmers and Everything.

    Pros & Cons of the System:

    Pros:
    - Actually makes bfg owners care about their bfg, and overall watch over it more.
    - There'll be less auto-farmers since game dev's are actually taking auto-farmers seriously (Finally).

    Cons:
    - There's no humanly way to find out everyone Auto-ing, we can only find out people who don't watch over their bots.
    - Getting your world banned Permanently is not great as well, it reduces the Pool of worlds in growtopia, and more.
    - If the owner of the world bans everyone who he/she deems "Auto-ing", and whoever's left are Semi-Auto bots (Those who watch over their bots), but still receives a Punishment won't be worth.

    Tl;dr:
    Currently we have no reliable system to track down auto-farmers as a Normal Player, It's probably better to delay this new rule from being implemented, until we have a better precaution for Auto-Farmers.

    I know this thread isn't useful, but i'm just giving my Opinion.
    Hope the developers take something out of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoRei View Post
    We just wanted to be clear about this so that everyone is aware also because we want to let BFG world owners know that we will be warning them instead of just nuking their worlds without notice.
    What if the world owner is offline and unable to respond? Will he maintain a record of "unresponded requests" that eventually get the world nuked?
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    Hello Houz,

    We understand your frustration, everyone does, really.

    And no, this isn't a joke, everyone hoped it was too!

    Anyways, good luck with your BFG service
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowStone View Post
    Give me one good argument as to why BFG world owners should be punished, considering the world owner does not tolerate autofarmers, but wasn't in the world when the moderator came and saw autofarmers.
    There is no need for an argument. Having an autofarmer in their world is already considered a fault, whether they like it or not.

    OR

    They can just close the BFG world while they're gone (like what I'd always do). Just admit it, Magplant wasn't even supposed to create BFG worlds. We can all just move on from BFG if there is no mere solution to make everyone happy.
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    Also, they don’t hold BUY world owners responsible for spammers; they are dealt with by the moderators. Yet BFG owners are held responsible and threatened with nukes if they have autofarmers in their world? The moderators don’t help BFG owners I guess, only threaten to ban them.
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    After what a mod said on Discord...

    It doesn't look like they will change their minds.

    Now it's either time to flee or exploit this.
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    Free Bfg purposed to open the free gems service to player who need gems without buy or selling stuff, and thats how social expressing in game work. So, someone who disobey the current rule should be banned for clearly reason, not inherited reason (like his world getting banned due his free bfg service contain autofarm while he offline/to do his bussines)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrects View Post
    Hello Houz,

    We understand your frustration, everyone does, really.

    And no, this isn't a joke, everyone hoped it was too!

    Anyways, good luck with your BFG service
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkenshin21 View Post
    So literally you are agreing, all buy+ world owners should get a warning for having autospammers advertising casinos in their worlds and not banning them? (Same logic).

    I do care what happens in my world and I do ban and encourage players to report auto. But I will miss ppl because I can't monitor all the time. I'm most afraid I will risk my mags because a mod "happens" to pass by when I'm not there or even worse! I'm there but missed an auto... that's why I want more specific information. Will they check log? Will they see owner do ban ppl? Or will they judge from what they see in the moment?
    Of course BUY+ world owners should be punished accordingly. There is no one denying that. It's just that these mods never ban famous people who happen to be those world owners. /LOL
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    I support the point about free BFGs. I come online infrequently, harvest my trees, and allow people to break in free steam rooms before going offline. I have no inkling of whatever is going on in my world before that, and neither do I have admins. At times, I may just AFK for a few hours until checking if the mags are cleared.

    I do not feel that punishments are warranted against owners, especially since the players entering or exiting the world, are not part of the world built by us, and are not under our control and jurisdiction. The kick and ban tools are not for us to actively hunt for rule breakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRRM View Post
    There is no need for an argument. Having an autofarmer in their world is already considered a fault, whether they like it or not.

    OR

    They can just close the BFG world while they're gone (like what I'd always do). Just admit it, Magplant wasn't even supposed to create BFG worlds. We can all just move on from BFG if there is no mere solution to make everyone happy.
    Going by your logic, the owner of the world will have to monitor the BFG for 3+ hours, the time to finish breaking all farmables, which is a waste of time.
    Closing the world while you're away isn't a good solution because it'd take forever for everything to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROOTbeerr View Post
    Also, they don’t hold BUY world owners responsible for spammers; they are dealt with by the moderators. Yet BFG owners are held responsible and threatened with nukes if they have autofarmers in their world? The moderators don’t help BFG owners I guess, only threaten to ban them.
    This is the best rebuttal I’ve seen to the auto farmer banning. Overall, illegal acts in the game shouldn’t be up to the player to handle, and it shouldn’t have repercussions on them unless they were willingly promoting that behavior (ex. selling a bfg room to someone with clear knowledge they were auto farming)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRRM View Post
    Just admit it, Magplant wasn't even supposed to create BFG worlds. We can all just move on from BFG if there is no mere solution to make everyone happy.
    Nope, when the magplant was introduced, nobody had any idea what it’s real use is for and everyone was just using it for random things. Kaurkal then mentioned somewhere that the magplant is also useful for something else that nobody is doing yet and BFG is what he’s referring to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeHeeBee View Post
    After what a mod said on Discord...

    It doesn't look like they will change their minds.

    Now it's either time to flee or exploit this.
    how do we exploit this

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeHeeBee View Post
    After what a mod said on Discord...

    It doesn't look like they will change their minds.

    Now it's either time to flee or exploit this.
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    I think you've made some great comments here.
    It's a shame that you left the game because it needs more players like you that understand the game but more and more are being pushed out.

    Anyway
    I agree with this 100%
    I didn't even think of non English speakers or the friends only/no chat thing but they are great points.
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    I find that the main issue is that they aren't giving options or abilities for BFG owners to actually combat autofarmers:
    - bans are only temporary
    - the necessity of admins, not all wish to spend their time guarding the BFG (especially without pay - as it is not their problem)

    At least give more abilities and ownership tools admins and owners of worlds can use (permanent bans, kick player from world, temporary mute, warnings, removing admins' access remotely, etc.)

    BFG owners do not wish to patrol their worlds 24/7, and thus will have to rely on enlisting admins. Not many players like having many admins (as of trust issues), and so protecting their worlds is quite difficult. We need tools and mechanics to protect our worlds. It's not nice to create paranoia in BFG owners who will worry about who they rent their service to.

    I believe that most BFG owners aren't of bad intention, and so, instead of banning BFGs and their owners out of lack of policing their worlds, ban BFGs and their owners if they proactively support autofarmers and show no desire to rid their world of them.

    Despite parents being mostly responsible for their children, if their children commit crimes, the parents will not be charged for their children's actions. It is only when the parents have led their children into committing the crime that it is also punishable. So, BFGs owners should be responsible for who they rent to, but if they had no intent for autofarmers, then they should not be held responsible for the autofarmer's actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaysD View Post
    how do we exploit this
    I think what TeeHeeBee meant is to get other's worlds banned by hiring autofarmers to autofarm in their BFG so that Ubisoft can see that this rule is actually a bad one

    In my opinion it is a very wrong thing to do, and it may also cause your main account to get SUSPENDED.

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