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    Quote Originally Posted by -LI0NE- View Post
    Many doesnt read pr have forums. As we all know, 3dls in the time could make you a bfg owner, witouth being racist many indo players that doesnt know english doesnt care and just play as they will knowing the BASES of rules. Even if you put it down, many young indo players will NOT even know this was a thing.
    They would just link it to the /news. But as far as im concerned this is in no way the owner's issue if they don't understand. Not like ALL of them can't, and you wouldn't be able to say that the owner doesn't care or is allowing them.
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    I agree to the fact that the new system "should" stay, but not at it's current state.

    Currently there's no humanly way of finding all the Auto-Clickers in your world.

    World Nuking because people auto-farm in your world is also a No go, as it's Abusable and unfair for players.

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    Ray, wana know what's even funnier?
    Going by your logic of "closing the BFG while you're not there", Ubisoft should "pause the game while there's no staff online" just to prevent illegal stuff from happening.
    If Ubisoft accepts doing so, we, BFG owners, will proudly accept doing so too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niome View Post
    I agree to the fact that the new system "should" stay, but not at it's current state.

    Currently there's no humanly way of finding all the Auto-Clickers in your world.

    World Nuking because people auto-farm in your world is also a No go, as it's Abusable and unfair for players.
    If we can afford 2 magplants, we should be experienced enough to spot autoclickers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowStone View Post
    Ray, wana know what's even funnier?
    Going by your logic of "closing the BFG while you're not there", Ubisoft should "pause the game while there's no staff online" just to prevent illegal stuff from happening.
    If Ubisoft accepts doing so, we, BFG owners, will proudly accept doing so too.
    No! Rollback everytime someone plays casino seems better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    You can tell by many ways. The ones I always use is check for the repeated actions, it doesn’t matter if it’s random because the system will reuse one of the actions. You can check on all of them like I did. I check on all 20 customers everyday and still managed to ban at least a quarter of them.
    Some people don't use autoclickers but still break through repeated patterns. Flawed and prone to false positives.


    This isn't even moderation through happening facts but moderation by suppositions. Some players are going to be falsly world banned, if not banned for presumably autofarming while they might have not. Some autofarming types are far more obvious such as rayman. But overall it's impossible to take care of all of them. Be monitoring, and accidently miss on one autofarmer and you can be certain said owner will close their bfg down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    If we can afford 2 magplants, we should be experienced enough to spot autoclickers.
    If Ubisoft can afford the game, they should be experienced enough to not blame the players for their mistakes, and punish them for other player's wrongdoings. And then ban the autofarmers, NOT our worlds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowStone View Post
    Ray, wana know what's even funnier?
    Going by your logic of "closing the BFG while you're not there", Ubisoft should "pause the game while there's no staff online" just to prevent illegal stuff from happening.
    If Ubisoft accepts doing so, we, BFG owners, will proudly accept doing so too.
    So you’re saying that turning off the magplant is the wrong thing to do? If you have to urgently leave but still paranoid of your world getting nuked then yes, turn off your magplant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugeLock View Post
    If Ubisoft can afford the game, they should be experienced enough to not blame the players for their mistakes, and punish them for other player's wrongdoings. And then ban the autofarmers, NOT our worlds!
    Again, I’ve already acknowledged Ubisoft’s duties but we are still the source of encouragement for autoclickers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    If we can afford 2 magplants, we should be experienced enough to spot autoclickers.
    Not neccesarily,
    If going by your logic then i could say:

    "I have x amount of experience in life, i should be able to tell how to get rich"

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    "I have been playing this game for x amount of years, and i must know everything!"

    It's simple not the case, people went thru different backgrounds.

    Not everyone has the same story.

    Having 2 magplants doesn't mean you're able to tell Auto-clickers apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    So you’re saying that turning off the magplant is the wrong thing to do? If you have to urgently leave but still paranoid of your world getting nuked then yes, turn off your magplant.
    So you’re saying that turning off the game is the wrong thing to do? If you have to urgently leave but still paranoid of your players doing illegal stuff then yes, turn off your servers

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowStone View Post
    So you’re saying that turning off the game is the wrong thing to do? If you have to urgently leave but still paranoid of your players doing illegal stuff then yes, turn off your servers
    Turning off the game and turning off the magplant is 2 different things because turning off the game causes much more major problems than it is turning off a magplant. Same context, but different analogy. Good try though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    So you’re saying that turning off the magplant is the wrong thing to do? If you have to urgently leave but still paranoid of your world getting nuked then yes, turn off your magplant.

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    Again, I’ve already acknowledged Ubisoft’s duties but we are still the source of encouragement for autoclickers.
    Nah Ubisoft have everything to blame for that, the stuff they added and their trash detection system. They can't be bothered upgrading their systems so they throw the duties onto us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    Turning off the game and turning off the magplant is 2 different thing because turning off the game causes much more major problems than it is turning off a magplant. Same context, but different analogy. Good try though.
    According to your logic it's the same.
    We as owners own the world, and Ubisoft as the owner of Growtopia owns the game.

    If your logic says we disable mag when we have to go urgently, so does the same apply to Ubisoft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    Turning off the game and turning off the magplant is 2 different things because turning off the game causes much more major problems than it is turning off a magplant. Same context, but different analogy. Good try though.
    If they expect us to always monitor our BFG while it's running, then we expect then to always monitor their game while it's still running, that's if you can't understand what I previously said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowStone View Post
    If they expect us to always monitor our BFG while it's running, then we expect then to always monitor their game while it's still running, that's if you can't understand what I previously said.
    The difference is they have thousands of players to monitor while we only have a maximum of 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niome View Post
    According to your logic it's the same.
    We as owners own the world, and Ubisoft as the owner of Growtopia owns the game.

    If your logic says we disable mag when we have to go urgently, so does the same apply to Ubisoft.
    Same logic goes to you. If you don’t like my support for this, turn off your device.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GaysD View Post
    Nah Ubisoft have everything to blame for that, the stuff they added and their trash detection system. They can't be bothered upgrading their systems so they throw the duties onto us.
    Just look at 2019 IOTM , WOW they bring their stupid Gacha system instead of making usefull IOTM just like Magplant or Rayman (althought i dont want their replication come so their price would dropping). And yes we didnt like what are you saying at this thread because it will make a negative opinion for BFG owner. I stand on their way althought i dont own BFG world because BFG is friendly way to get profit for Rich and Newbie player

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    The difference is they have thousands of players to monitor while we only have a maximum of 15
    You do realize that they're a company while we're individuals, everything's proportional in case you never studied proportionality in maths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nenkaai View Post
    Some people don't use autoclickers but still break through repeated patterns. Flawed and prone to false positives.


    This isn't even moderation through happening facts but moderation by suppositions. Some players are going to be falsly world banned, if not banned for presumably autofarming while they might have not. Some autofarming types are far more obvious such as rayman. But overall it's impossible to take care of all of them. Be monitoring, and accidently miss on one autofarmer and you can be certain said owner will close their bfg down.

    Ran a poll on my discord. A vast majority is going to close but only if they get warned just once.
    The difference between a human and a bot is a human can’t repeat the same precise pattern again in a short time span. I don’t look at the patterns but I look at how fast/slow they take to break. Sometimes they break the 2nd block slower and take a longer time to place. If that action repeats again, it’s obvious they’re not human.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    But we are responsibile too because we are encouraging them to keep using their third party apps as Long as they come to our world. If owners actually monitor their worlds, they obviously wouldn’t come back there anymore because they know that they can’t use their autoclicker in that world.

    By your logic, you’re saying that owners should ignore spammers in their world because it’s a mod’s job. With that kind of attitude, you’re gonna encourage more rule breakers in your world because you’re basically welcoming them to break the rules.
    Us bfg owners aren't encouraging /rule-breaking. Heck, I even have a rule bulletin board. Of course I squash the autofarmer "cockroaches". However, I can't monitor multiple worlds, and certainly can't catch every single one.

    We should encourage people not to use autofarmers, but it's not our responsibility to resolve the issue. Our duty is to HELP, not enforce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nenkaai View Post
    Ran a poll on my discord. A vast majority is going to close but only if they get warned just once.
    Unban me so I can vote

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