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    Quote Originally Posted by Devours View Post
    i take it that OP got perma-banned and got salty, and made a thread like this.

    no one would ever make threads like this unless they are banned, periodt.

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    ps. look at ZStepXD, when he found out that his 60days ban got turned into a perma suspension, he didn't even bother hanging at the forums anymore. I suspect that his mouth is just too itchy he had to brag about his ban to the forums, that lead him to the devs changing their mind, and perma ban him instead. GG
    Actually we need changes. Most of ppl can learn from mistakes and they could be good players after ban. In many cases 60 days could bee too little punishment so we need long bans too. Some could even come back after 730 days and help us to keep this game alive. Ppl grow much in 2 years, so maybe 730 days ban should be not perma in some cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenChloe View Post
    Actually we need changes. Most of ppl can learn from mistakes and they could be good players after ban. In many cases 60 days could bee too little punishment so we need long bans too. Some could even come back after 730 days and help us to keep this game alive. Ppl grow much in 2 years, so maybe 730 days ban should be not perma in some cases.
    Agreed.

    Though, they shouldn’t terminate permanent ban.

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    I saw a while ago some guy got banned for sbing his world was a "Night club."
    Quite reasonable if you asked me. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenChloe View Post
    Actually we need changes. Most of ppl can learn from mistakes and they could be good players after ban. In many cases 60 days could bee too little punishment so we need long bans too. Some could even come back after 730 days and help us to keep this game alive. Ppl grow much in 2 years, so maybe 730 days ban should be not perma in some cases.
    This is the main thing I would like to point out. Some people worked very hard on the game and spent hours on it. They might be willing to come back to keep the game alive even after being banned for 1 year or more. Its already a really harsh punishment but depends on the severity for their ban reason. IAP frauds may have to be dealt with other consequences such as a permanent ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    Sorry no. What makes them have the rights to abuse the chat like that? People spent hard earn wls/gems to SB or BC but end up getting blocked. These people aren’t thinking about anyone except themselves and what’s worse is implementing inappropriate words in their SB. They don’t deserve a 2nd chance.

    More than enough chances have already been given to SB wars and it’s time for the mods to take action against them. The only thing SB wars are doing is encouraging more people to join in on this behaviour.
    Well, some people might have been tipped off as they were scammed and cause them to lose control and start ranting through SBs. They might be out of control and start expressing the rage. The next second when they get suspended, they instantly regret whatever I did. Well, a 60 day ban/ 1 year or 2 year ban will definitely teach them a hard lesson to never repeat it. Im sure, they will learn from their mistake. A permanent removal from the game is a bit too harsh and extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leqend of Legend View Post
    This is the main thing I would like to point out. Some people worked very hard on the game and spent hours on it. They might be willing to come back to keep the game alive even after being banned for 1 year or more. Its already a really harsh punishment but depends on the severity for their ban reason. IAP frauds may have to be dealt with other consequences such as a permanent ban.
    Yeah, I honestly agreed.

    A huge offence that can be redeemed through time shouldn’t be the result of a permanent ban. If the person has the will to change, he should be given a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyeosi View Post
    Yeah, I honestly agreed.

    A huge offence that can be redeemed through time shouldn’t be the result of a permanent ban. If the person has the will to change, he should be given a chance.
    Glad you can have a better perspective of things. We should think ourselves in the shoes of those who got banned. Imagine all those hardwork, precious time, precious friends, memories all gone. Suspensions are way to harsh and being banned for 2 years is already a huge lesson to be learnt.
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    The consequences should depend on how severe the offence was...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leqend of Legend View Post
    Glad you can have a better perspective of things. We should think ourselves in the shoes of those who got banned. Imagine all those hardwork, precious time, precious friends, memories all gone. Suspensions are way to harsh and being banned for 2 years is already a huge lesson to be learnt.
    Not even need to think ourself in their shoes. Just need understand how human mind works and how humans are humans when they do mistakes, but one mistake can't just destroy whole life, if you didn't kill someone or destroyed someones life. We all do mistakes, we have done and we will always do more. But most of us does same mistake just once per life time. That is why we need give second chances. We learn from mistakes. That is how human mind works. Rn ubisoft refuse accept that players are actually humans. We aren't robots...
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    The better idea is players don't do things against the rules and they won't get banned.
    God that sounds like a good plan!

    If they ain't harsh players won't learn and it's why we have so many audio farmers, spammer and scammers because not enough has been done over the years to put them off doing these things. Harsh rules will make less (actual players) be tempted into doing the wrongs of the people that got permanent banned.

    Sounds harsh but it's not, people have been having it far to easy on this game scamming and stuff and making waves when others play years and get nowhere.
    You want to talk about fair talk about that when your talking about permanent bans not being enough and players sticking!
    Two sides to this coin and your only making space for one of them sides and wether you like it or not your fighting for the dark side.

    If the ban is for illegal activities then bye boo don't don't stuff against rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leqend of Legend View Post
    This is the main thing I would like to point out. Some people worked very hard on the game and spent hours on it. They might be willing to come back to keep the game alive even after being banned for 1 year or more. Its already a really harsh punishment but depends on the severity for their ban reason. IAP frauds may have to be dealt with other consequences such as a permanent ban.

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    Well, some people might have been tipped off as they were scammed and cause them to lose control and start ranting through SBs. They might be out of control and start expressing the rage. The next second when they get suspended, they instantly regret whatever I did. Well, a 60 day ban/ 1 year or 2 year ban will definitely teach them a hard lesson to never repeat it. Im sure, they will learn from their mistake. A permanent removal from the game is a bit too harsh and extreme.
    So if the person made a mistake, they should be given rights to break the rules? Expressing rage or not, you should’ve thought twice about your actions. First you got scammed and then you blindly break the rules? Obviously you’ve not learnt your lesson yet.

    Adding on to that, just because someone spent a ton of hours on a game, that doesn’t give them the rights to break any rules. If they’ve played this Long, they should’ve known of the rules by now. Same concept as when people say mods only notice famous people. If we implement your logic of giving second chances to oldies, it’ll be unfair to the rest. It’ll also encourage other old players to think that they can break the rules because they’ve been playing thus far.

    This is basically a blackmail to Ubisoft; You can’t punish me because I’ve played this game for 3 years and have spent more than $1,000. If you ban me, you’ll lose your most valuable player.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    So if the person made a mistake, they should be given rights to break the rules? Expressing rage or not, you should’ve thought twice about your actions. First you got scammed and then you blindly break the rules? Obviously you’ve not learnt your lesson yet.

    Adding on to that, just because someone spent a ton of hours on a game, that doesn’t give them the rights to break any rules. If they’ve played this Long, they should’ve known of the rules by now. Same concept as when people say mods only notice famous people. If we implement your logic of giving second chances to oldies, it’ll be unfair to the rest. It’ll also encourage other old players to think that they can break the rules because they’ve been playing thus far.

    This is basically a blackmail to Ubisoft; You can’t punish me because I’ve played this game for 3 years and have spent more than $1,000. If you ban me, you’ll lose your most valuable player.
    I think that we can all agree that if someone breaks the rules, they should be punished for it.

    It would be unjust if they weren’t punished.

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    You might be surprised that if all the players who broke the rules get suspended permanently.
    The total players online will be very low, lower beyond your imagination.

    Most of us broke the rules a lot of times, admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySia View Post
    So if the person made a mistake, they should be given rights to break the rules? Expressing rage or not, you should’ve thought twice about your actions. First you got scammed and then you blindly break the rules? Obviously you’ve not learnt your lesson yet.

    Adding on to that, just because someone spent a ton of hours on a game, that doesn’t give them the rights to break any rules. If they’ve played this Long, they should’ve known of the rules by now. Same concept as when people say mods only notice famous people. If we implement your logic of giving second chances to oldies, it’ll be unfair to the rest. It’ll also encourage other old players to think that they can break the rules because they’ve been playing thus far.

    This is basically a blackmail to Ubisoft; You can’t punish me because I’ve played this game for 3 years and have spent more than $1,000. If you ban me, you’ll lose your most valuable player.
    Well it is definitely wrong for a player to breaking a certain rule for the FIRST time. However, the consequences for it are too harsh. EVen though what they did is unnacceptable and they should be punished, the punishment should be in the form of permanent suspensions, at least even a really long ban could change them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyeosi View Post
    Yeah, I honestly agreed.

    A huge offence that can be redeemed through time shouldn’t be the result of a permanent ban. If the person has the will to change, he should be given a chance.
    Yes DEFINITELY. Anyone breaking the rules MUST be punished and it shouldnt be led to slide or they will commit it again and others will also be infleuced to do break the rule, this will cause havoc in the game. However, some of the punishments meted out are too harsh as players are completely removed from the game. It is of no doubt that causing drama in SBs, falsely claiming to be a mod, NSFW content is 100% wrong and punishable. However, i feel that a 180/360 or even a 730 ban will definietly teach them a lesson. IM sure anyone would learn from their mistake as these numbers arent little and they would turn over a new leaf. However, if they repeat it, then they might have to be suspended. Having such a prolonged ban from the game is already a pretty harsh and effective lesson to teach people to not repeat their mistake.
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    @OP, I think the poll is too limited. Either you are evil or otherwise.. lol.....

    I think the player base "declining" is also due to the activities of moderators in clearing out spammers. To be honest, how many of the players who logged in previously were legit players and how many consists of alts. This may be more reflective of the actual player base.

    Back to the topic: To me, the issue really is the basis for the ban. As long as it is for legit reasons, that should be valid. Its not a question of permanent or length of time. I am concerned that since moderators have power to ban, they should be acting with integrity and independence. There have been accusations about favouritism and protecting guilds/friends. This is a concern to the player base, since it does raise doubts about whether the moderators are acting for the good of the community as a whole, or their own interests and interest groups.

    There may be legit concerns from the community about this issue since there have been moderators in the past who have "turned to the dark side" and many players from older times would have actually witnessed.
    The developers do need to think about how to safe guard this. We are not privy to how the moderator mechanism work, which may be very loose or very strict. Be that as it may, this can have an effect on the confidence in the game and is not to be taken lightly.

    End of the day, we all want the game to thrive and have a better community. I think the recent activeness of the new mods have had a positive effect on the game. Spams are reduced significantly, casinos have been actively nuked. Even game glitches have been quickly acted upon. If want progress, there is always work to be done and improvements to be made.
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    Heya! We do understand it can get really frustrating when you get banned and we are definitely open to re-investigating and re-evaluating your punishment provided that we find enough proof through our investigations.

    To ease everyone's mind allow me to clarify some points mentioned:
    1. If you believe that you were banned unjustly or you want submit a ban appeal, you can report such incidents to us and we'll look into it carefully and then handle it. Here is how to submit a ban appeal:
    https://support.ubi.com/en-AU/Faqs/0...count-sanction

    "In the event you genuinely feel the ban is not justified, please LET US KNOW - we will be happy to investigate further."

    2. If you believe that a certain moderator is misbehaving feel free to report the moderator to us together with details and if there is a proof include that as well. We will look investigate and act on it if necessary.


    Also, thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts regarding this concern. I shall mention your insights about this to the team and see if this is something that we can take into consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoRei View Post
    Heya! We do understand it can get really frustrating when you get banned and we are definitely open to re-investigating and re-evaluating your punishment provided that we find enough proof through our investigations.

    To ease everyone's mind allow me to clarify some points mentioned:
    1. If you believe that you were banned unjustly or you want submit a ban appeal, you can report such incidents to us and we'll look into it carefully and then handle it. Here is how to submit a ban appeal:
    https://support.ubi.com/en-AU/Faqs/0...count-sanction

    "In the event you genuinely feel the ban is not justified, please LET US KNOW - we will be happy to investigate further."

    2. If you believe that a certain moderator is misbehaving feel free to report the moderator to us together with details and if there is a proof include that as well. We will look investigate and act on it if necessary.


    Also, thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts regarding this concern. I shall mention your insights about this to the team and see if this is something that we can take into consideration.
    I just made a thread about ban appeals.
    This is concerning a suggestion of Permanent Ban Appeals:
    https://www.growtopiagame.com/forums...ent-Ban-Appeal

    And, a clearer punishment chart.
    This is the thread:
    https://www.growtopiagame.com/forums...-Clarification

    All were inspired by the replies from this thread. Hope you read them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoRei View Post
    Heya! We do understand it can get really frustrating when you get banned and we are definitely open to re-investigating and re-evaluating your punishment provided that we find enough proof through our investigations.

    To ease everyone's mind allow me to clarify some points mentioned:
    1. If you believe that you were banned unjustly or you want submit a ban appeal, you can report such incidents to us and we'll look into it carefully and then handle it. Here is how to submit a ban appeal:
    https://support.ubi.com/en-AU/Faqs/0...count-sanction

    "In the event you genuinely feel the ban is not justified, please LET US KNOW - we will be happy to investigate further."

    2. If you believe that a certain moderator is misbehaving feel free to report the moderator to us together with details and if there is a proof include that as well. We will look investigate and act on it if necessary.


    Also, thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts regarding this concern. I shall mention your insights about this to the team and see if this is something that we can take into consideration.
    No, problem is not that they didn't deserve ban, problem is, we want change banning system. We want that some things wont give perma ban. Why not ban then really 180-730 days and then ban end and they can come back? If someone wont change their behave in 180-730 days, then they deserve perma ban from next rule break, but because we need more players, we could just give second chances to some players, who example just said something bad. They made one mistake, said once some bad stuff and got perma ban. That is too much. Just give 180-730 days ban from them and then they can come back and we see, did they learn their lesson. I bet, most of then will learn their lesson in six months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoRei View Post
    Heya! We do understand it can get really frustrating when you get banned and we are definitely open to re-investigating and re-evaluating your punishment provided that we find enough proof through our investigations.

    To ease everyone's mind allow me to clarify some points mentioned:
    1. If you believe that you were banned unjustly or you want submit a ban appeal, you can report such incidents to us and we'll look into it carefully and then handle it. Here is how to submit a ban appeal:
    https://support.ubi.com/en-AU/Faqs/0...count-sanction

    "In the event you genuinely feel the ban is not justified, please LET US KNOW - we will be happy to investigate further."

    2. If you believe that a certain moderator is misbehaving feel free to report the moderator to us together with details and if there is a proof include that as well. We will look investigate and act on it if necessary.


    Also, thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts regarding this concern. I shall mention your insights about this to the team and see if this is something that we can take into consideration.
    I honestly compeltely gave up on support along with many of my friends who got banned. Not just friends, thousands of growtopians get banned. They have definitely done something wrong and when they email support, support does not given them a proper explanation, just a really general reason why they got suspended and that they will never be unbanned.

    Personally, i tried to seek help several times but support just closes my tickets. The point of this thread isnt just about me or those rich/ famous who got banned. I just want to share the voice of the entire banned community and that we hope something could be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MineDeath View Post
    I don't think they would be removing it anytime soon. If players really hate being suspended, then they should have just followed the rules in the first place. After all before you've even logged on for the very first time, you did in fact officially agree to follow all the rules within the growtopian code, and you also did accept the fact that you would be seriously punished if you do not act with respect to the growtopian code. Besides, if suspended players really have lear'nt their lesson, and would want to give the game another shot, they can always try out the new free console versions aswell. Remember, if you do the crime, you do the time. And sometimes, that very time may last forever,and forever is a long long time! .
    Well, whoever breaks a rule should still be punished but soemthing less severe than a suspensions. maybe a very long ban will teach them a lesson. IM sure, they will never want to repeat their mistake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leqend of Legend View Post
    Well, whoever breaks a rule should still be punished but soemthing less severe than a suspensions. maybe a very long ban will teach them a lesson. IM sure, they will never want to repeat their mistake
    Hhm, I guess you could be right in that sense. I think it would be okay if they changed it to a two or mabye three year ban instead. That is technically forever after all !.
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    Using the "But I got hacked" card isn't really viable anymore. There are many great tools such as the 2FA which will make your account really hard to breach. It's your account and your responsibility. If you let some random person access your account that doesn't free you of the responsibility.

    Getting less severe punishment just because you have used time and effort to get where you are would be really stupid. You break the rules, you suffer the consequences.

    I really haven't seen a valid argument on why permanent bans should be removed. It's not that hard to follow the rules. Of course if you actually were innocent ("getting hacked" doesnt make you) then you actually deserve to be unbanned.

    Just don't break the rules and everything will be fine. Why is that so hard?
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